I've been running FC6 for a few days now, intensively. I upgraded from FC4.
Although there are few minor bugs and glitches, FC6 totally rocks. Its faster. Its cleaner. Its nicer. FC6 is by far the nicest OS / GUI that I have ever used. (I run KDE btw.)
I can't believe how much nicer konqueror is now. It never crashes on any web page and that is saying something because previously it was prone to crash. Good work.
I'd like to take this opportunity to salute all the people who contributed to the production of FC6. You did a great job and should be very proud of your efforts.
Thanks and keep up the good work !
On 28/10/06, Kim Lux lux@diesel-research.com wrote:
I've been running FC6 for a few days now, intensively. I upgraded from FC4.
Although there are few minor bugs and glitches, FC6 totally rocks. Its faster. Its cleaner. Its nicer. FC6 is by far the nicest OS / GUI that I have ever used. (I run KDE btw.)
I can't believe how much nicer konqueror is now. It never crashes on any web page and that is saying something because previously it was prone to crash. Good work.
I'd like to take this opportunity to salute all the people who contributed to the production of FC6. You did a great job and should be very proud of your efforts.
Thanks and keep up the good work !
Good to know, Kim. I've been debating FC6 / Edgy Effy, and I think you just made the decision for me. Thanks!
Dotan Cohen
http://rorot.com http://what-is-what.com/what_is/google.html
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Good to know, Kim. I've been debating FC6 / Edgy Effy, and I think you just made the decision for me. Thanks!
Just a FYI, the grass is seldom greener on the other side
http://element14.wordpress.com/2006/10/27/ubuntu-edgy-upgrades-a-disaster-fo...
Few years ago I also thought to look away from Fedora, at that time to SuSE. Lo, their forums were full of wailing and weeping worse than the Fedora ml at that time. I realized RHAT is a shining beacon of Linux goodness, despite any momentary shortcomings and buzz, so much solid engineering work can't be ignored. Something a new set of people will have a chance to learn all over again with Oracle!
''... Open Source Weblog 97% of Red Hat customers would remain loyal October 27, 2006
You’ve probably seen mention of CIO Insight Vendor Value survey since Oracle announced plans to undercut Red Hat and criticized the support it provides its customers with. As Matt Asay mentions here, Kevin Carmony here, and Dave Dargo here, Red Hat ranked number one for vendor value two years running, while Oracle placed 39 in 2005, down from 28 in 2004. Taking a look at the research I came across a couple more statistics that will make happy reading for the shareholders that bought rather than sold Red Hat shares on Thursday.
Red Hat also ranked highest based on the percentage of ‘excellent’ ratings, with 30.4%, while Oracle was the second worst vendor based on the percentage of ‘poor’ ratings, with 16.9%. All of which undermines Oracle’s argument about providing better support, somewhat. The really significant statistic, in the context of Oracle’s Unbreakable Linux announcement, is as follows:
Asked if they would continue to do business with their vendor if they had a choice, 97.0% of Red Hat customers answered ‘yes’, the highest percentage of any vendor. In contrast 25.9% of Oracle’s customers said ‘no’, making it the ninth most likely to lose customers.
...''
http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/archives/2006/10/97_of_red_hat_c.html
26% of "proprietary software vendor" Oracle users would take any viable alternative than Oracle... 3% for RHAT...
-Andy
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 07:37 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Good to know, Kim. I've been debating FC6 / Edgy Effy, and I think you just made the decision for me. Thanks!
I know nothing about ubuntu. I've been using RH/Fedora since RH8. The first years were a little trying. I really like Fedora. I like the fact that they are deliberately pushing the envelope. I think FC6 is outstanding. I highly recommend it.
Yesterday I was running, all at one time, Eclipse, writing a Java app, 2 instances of gtkterm hooked up to specialized hardware, grip, ripping a new CD, amarok, listening to MP3s, ethereal (wireshark), a couple kwrite instances, a couple konqueror browers and I had evolution open. I needed 2+ desktops for all that. I love how pressing both mouse buttons goes from desktop to desktop. Oh, I forgot I had pan open too. Nothing even hiccuped. Does it get much better than that ?
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:08:03 -0600 Kim Lux lux@diesel-research.com wrote:
I love how pressing both mouse buttons goes from desktop to desktop.
Huh? That doesn't happen here... using either that or the mouse wheel to switch desktops (anywhere on the desktop, not just over the pager) would be oh so sweet... just like in Xfce :)
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 16:28 -0600, Myles Green wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:08:03 -0600 Kim Lux lux@diesel-research.com wrote:
I love how pressing both mouse buttons goes from desktop to desktop.
Huh? That doesn't happen here... using either that or the mouse wheel to switch desktops (anywhere on the desktop, not just over the pager) would be oh so sweet... just like in Xfce :)
Wow, I thought I was blabbing too much. Makes me wonder what *I* don't know about Linux functionality too.
I'm running KDE. I don't have any desktop icons in my taskbar. Pressing both the right and left mouse buttons brings up a menu with Unclutter Windows, Cascade Windows, Desktop1, <list of Desktop1 apps>, Desktop2, <list of Desktop2 apps>, etc.
So I'm always running multiple desktops. General apps on one desktop, work specific on another, etc. One two button mouse press and I jump to the other desktop. It keeps me nice and organized and I'm not always opening and shutting down apps.
I don't see where to enable the two button desktop list functionality. In "configure-kdesktop" (right click on desktop, configure...) I see "Mouse wheel over desktop background switches desktop" as an option. I have that disabled. Maybe that has something to do with it.
I am also running dual widescreen monitors. Between the dual monitors and the multiple desktops, I'm using tons of desktop area. Its great ! Maybe my need for desktop area has something to do with the fact that I started programming on a Mac Plus, with a 9 inch monitor, B&W nonetheless. And it only ran 1 application reliably. The task switcher in Mac OS 6.x was prone to crash, especially if one had a pointer bug in their C code ! My how things have changed !
I have to say that I am much more productive with Linux than Windows.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:51:52 -0600 Kim Lux lux@diesel-research.com wrote:
Wow, I thought I was blabbing too much. Makes me wonder what *I* don't know about Linux functionality too.
I'm running KDE. I don't have any desktop icons in my taskbar.
Oh, I see. Well I don't use KDE myself (I much prefer FVWM) and since GNOME is the default DE, well I just assumed that's what you were talking about. Sorry if I sounded ignorant in the ways *nix but with 10 years experience, well, I'm not.
Have fun.
On 10/28/06, Kim Lux <hidden> wrote: Its
faster. Its cleaner. Its nicer. FC6 is by far the nicest OS / GUI that I have ever used. (I run KDE btw.)
Hello kim,
could you tell use what themes (icons, colors,window decorator) you use personnally ? I'm doing a survey about kde themes which fedora users like :) In the end hopefully, we can do something better for fc7 in terms of kde :)
chitlesh
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 07:42 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On 10/28/06, Kim Lux <hidden> wrote: Its
faster. Its cleaner. Its nicer. FC6 is by far the nicest OS / GUI that I have ever used. (I run KDE btw.)
Hello kim,
could you tell use what themes (icons, colors,window decorator) you use personnally ?
I don't spend a lot of time making things look nice.
My background is Dragonfly. I think I got it in FC4.
Colors I am using a dark blue. Its a little darker than the KDE default, but not as dark as blue curve.
Fonts are all Sans 10, except fixed width, which is Monospace 10.
For icons, I am using the Bluecurve Icon Theme.
I'm using the plastik theme. I think most of my settings are stock.
Pretty boring, but it works great.
About the only visual complaints I have are the fonts in Evolution. I've never gotten exactly the font I want with it. Either one doesn't look good bold or plain or something.
I think the login screen artwork is almost stunning !
I'm just really happy with fc6.
I'm doing a survey about kde themes which fedora users like :) In the end hopefully, we can do something better for fc7 in terms of kde :)
KDE is starting to get some polish to it. I don't mean that as a rude comment. Its always been a functional environment, but fc4 and now fc6 have moved the bar ever further upward in functionality and appearance. I like the new fc6 folders, for example.
I was on a Windows machine the other day. First thing I missed were the multiple desktops. Next thing I missed was having a clipboard that could hold more than one clip. Next thing I hated was the virus detector always running and warning me about stuff. And the fonts were too small in IE. Next thing I missed was not being able to ssh onto the server. And that was just in one short session ! I was very happy to get back to my Linux box.
I find I use the command line for stuff more and more. So much easier to mv *.mp3 playlist than to do it with a mouse. I'm writing scrips for some of the repetitive stuff I do.
I find the Linux experience so much deeper and richer than the Windows experience. Windows is like snowboarding on the bunny hill. Linux is like having access to the whole mountain, including the backcountry if you need it.
Kim Lux wrote:
I've been running FC6 for a few days now, intensively. I upgraded from FC4.
Although there are few minor bugs and glitches, FC6 totally rocks. Its faster. Its cleaner. Its nicer. FC6 is by far the nicest OS / GUI that I have ever used. (I run KDE btw.)
I can't believe how much nicer konqueror is now. It never crashes on any web page and that is saying something because previously it was prone to crash. Good work.
I'd like to take this opportunity to salute all the people who contributed to the production of FC6. You did a great job and should be very proud of your efforts.
Thanks and keep up the good work !
Thanks for the recommendation.
I started with FC4 in June and went to FC5 in August with no problems. Never having witnessed a Core release, the many problems being posted against FC6 have given me pause to move ahead.
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Kim Lux wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 16:11 -0700, Philip Walden wrote:
the many problems being posted against FC6 have given me pause to move ahead.
Just curious what you see as being "the many problems" ?
"the many problems"
Kim? Can you say troll? ;-)
- -- David
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 20:01 -0700, David Boles wrote:
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Kim Lux wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 16:11 -0700, Philip Walden wrote:
the many problems being posted against FC6 have given me pause to move ahead.
Just curious what you see as being "the many problems" ?
"the many problems"
Kim? Can you say troll? ;-)
I was just curious to see if he was serious or not.
I had issues with nvidia and the move from ndiswrapper to fwcutter/bcm43xx for my wifi and some disappearing apps. Other than that, its been a totally straightforward process.
On Sunday 29 October 2006 01:48, Kim Lux wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 16:11 -0700, Philip Walden wrote:
the many problems being posted against FC6 have given me pause to move ahead.
Just curious what you see as being "the many problems" ?
I think he meant 'many reports of problems'. That fact that so many of those 'problems' come from not following good advice is not obvious to someone who hasn't been around too long.
Anne
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 06:23 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 29 October 2006 01:48, Kim Lux wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 16:11 -0700, Philip Walden wrote:
the many problems being posted against FC6 have given me pause to move ahead.
Just curious what you see as being "the many problems" ?
I think he meant 'many reports of problems'. That fact that so many of those 'problems' come from not following good advice is not obvious to someone who hasn't been around too long.
I agree.
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 06:23 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
the many problems being posted against FC6 have given me pause to move ahead.
Just curious what you see as being "the many problems" ?
I think he meant 'many reports of problems'. That fact that so many of those 'problems' come from not following good advice is not obvious to someone who hasn't been around too long.
FWLIW, I have had a standing personal policy for doing upgrades ever since I switched to RH back in the 2.0 days. I wait for a few weeks or so before even starting the process. This allows all the errata and bugfixes to filter into the updates channel and also allows for time to get reports in the lists from people.
Granted, if everyone did this the only effect it would have is that there's be all these reports and feedback coming a few weeks later than the release.
Lately upgrades have been such a fun experience since my CD drive died on the laptop. No floppy and yum upgrade can be brutal.
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 29 October 2006 01:48, Kim Lux wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 16:11 -0700, Philip Walden wrote:
the many problems being posted against FC6 have given me pause to move ahead.
Just curious what you see as being "the many problems" ?
I think he meant 'many reports of problems'. That fact that so many of those 'problems' come from not following good advice is not obvious to someone who hasn't been around too long.
Anne
Yes, like I said, I have not witnessed a Core release before. You must admit there is a *swarm* of questions about it.
Philip Walden wrote:
Yes, like I said, I have not witnessed a Core release before. You must admit there is a *swarm* of questions about it.
Actually I seem to recall much more traffic here on early releases, when IIRC there was more breakage. Like FC1 -> FC2 which went from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, naturally and like the other distros making the same change at the same time a lot of things around the kernel made trouble. If it wasn't for the i586 bug FC6 would have been really quite trouble-free and the trend seems to be that as a global distro, the thing is getting more and more solid.
Anyway looking at any OS support forum you will only see problem after problem :-) the happy people generally don't feel moved to post about their happiness much, this thread aside.
-Andy
On 30/10/06, Andy Green andy@warmcat.com wrote:
Philip Walden wrote:
Yes, like I said, I have not witnessed a Core release before. You must admit there is a *swarm* of questions about it.
Actually I seem to recall much more traffic here on early releases, when IIRC there was more breakage. Like FC1 -> FC2 which went from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, naturally and like the other distros making the same change at the same time a lot of things around the kernel made trouble. If it wasn't for the i586 bug FC6 would have been really quite trouble-free and the trend seems to be that as a global distro, the thing is getting more and more solid.
Anyway looking at any OS support forum you will only see problem after problem :-) the happy people generally don't feel moved to post about their happiness much, this thread aside.
-Andy
Take for instance the current problems plaugeing Ubuntu Dapper > Edgy upgrades.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com/what_is/virus.html http://english-lyrics.com/
Hi,
Em Sexta 27 Outubro 2006 23:46, Kim Lux escreveu:
I've been running FC6 for a few days now, intensively. I upgraded from FC4.
Although there are few minor bugs and glitches, FC6 totally rocks. Its faster. Its cleaner. Its nicer. FC6 is by far the nicest OS / GUI that I have ever used. (I run KDE btw.)
Kim, do you use KDM for graphical logon? If yes, does the keyboard stop functioning after you logout and get back to the graphical login screen (not 100% of the time, but very, very often)? If this does not happen at first, please reboot before testing again. I've noticed that, in the few times the keyboard works after a logout, it remains working until the machine is rebooted again.
I can't believe how much nicer konqueror is now. It never crashes on any web page and that is saying something because previously it was prone to crash. Good work.
Do you have any problem running java applets in Konqueror? Could you please test this site: http://www.itautrade.com.br There should be a ticker and a graph. Here the ticker works fine in Konqueror, but the graph starts loading and then display "system failure". It works in Firefox, however.
I fully agree with your statements about FC6, it's the greatest OS I ever used in a desktop.
Thanks,
Marcelo
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 09:24 -0300, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
Kim, do you use KDM for graphical logon?
Yes.
If yes, does the keyboard stop functioning after you logout and get back to the graphical login screen (not 100% of the time, but very, very often)?
Yes. I logged this exact problem to Bugzilla last night. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212779
Please add your comments to this so that I'm not the only one with the problem.
If this does not happen at first, please reboot before testing again. I've noticed that, in the few times the keyboard works after a logout, it remains working until the machine is rebooted again.
I've got the very same thing happening here.