Hi All,
I've decided to withdraw from this list, but before I do I want to have my 2 cents worth. I received a nasty message from a David CURRY (see below). This message was inappropriate and uncalled for. I am new to this list and if he had taken to time to explain what was required I would have changed from digest format to individual messages.
Instead this imbecile, ranted on about what a TURD I was. I don't believe this man would have said this if he was standing in front of me. I wonder how he thinks lowering the esteem of someone to his level accomplishes anything useful. Can you imagine having an employee of your company sending out emails with the kind of statements Mr. David Curry has made? I'd have his ass out the door so fast he wouldn't have to worry about being hit from behind by it.
Since Mr. David Curry seems to think I have offended Alexander Dalloz, and I wonder if that is the case. If so, I have no qualms about apologizing to Alexander and will do so gladly since he was very helpful to me. In cutting a pasting the parts of the digest format I wanted to acknowledge my thanks. If this breaks some net etiquette, then I apologize to all users of this list for my obvious lack of understanding. I thought that this list was about passing on solutions to problems; maybe I was wrong.
I think I understand why Alexander wants to have individual messages and post to the threads. A simple note when I signed up on this list would have solved that problem. I would have changed to individual message format and made his life easier.
Now back to Mr. David Curry. Mr. David Curry, I've been in the computer business since 1963. Since that time I've worked on just about every piece of hardware and software going. I've been around UNIX based systems since 1976 and in that time I've met many fine and upstanding people. They were courteous, kind, and helpful. None of which describes you in any way. I cannot imagine what kind of brain you have between your ears to write such an email to someone you do not know except by the contents of a single email. If I were your father, I would grab you and wash your mouth out with soap.
Thank you all for reading this far.
I am sincerely yours, Frank Stratton
-----Original Message----- From: David Curry [mailto:dsccable@comcast.net] Sent: March 30, 2005 12:09 AM To: Frank Stratton - VE3YY Subject: Re: /var/spool/up2date
Alexander Dalloz has made it quite clear on fedora-list that he urges people to avoid top posting and to interleave their replys to prior messages with the replys following only appropriate context material from the prior message.
You return his kindness of granting you the benefit of his fedora expertise by TOP POSTING your "thanks". That act tells me that you are either incredibly inept socially or a world class TURD who intended to publicly insult if not humiliate Alexander!
YOU OWE HIM AN APOLOGY!
------------------------------------ fstratton wrote:
Thanks Alexander,
I also moved the directory over to an alternate disk and put in a symbolic link. I found 3587 files in the up2date directory but it only has a few RPM files. Seems like a lot of information to keep around. I upgraded this system from Fedora Core 2 to Core 3 and applied the updates. I can't say that I'm very happy with the upgrade path. I lost the automount of CDROMs and some packages have some mysterious problems. I think I will back up my data the next time and "upgrade" by simply loading a new version and replacing the OS.
Cheers, Frank
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:39:57 +0200 From: Alexander Dalloz ad+lists@uni-x.org Subject: Re: Var/spool/up2date To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: 1111891197.11539.196.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Am So, den 27.03.2005 schrieb Frank Stratton - VE3YY um 3:52:
My /var/spool/up2date has grown to the point where it has over 300 MB of files in it. Can I delete the files in this directory?
Frank
Keep the .hdr files. I suggest you reconfigure up2date to not keep the RPMs after installation, if disk space is an issue for you.
Alexander
-- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | GPG http://pgp.mit.edu 0xB366A773
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 09:56 -0500, Frank Stratton - VE3YY wrote:
Hi All,
I've decided to withdraw from this list, but before I do I want to have my 2 cents worth. I received a nasty message from a David CURRY (see below). This message was inappropriate and uncalled for. I am new to this list and if he had taken to time to explain what was required I would have changed from digest format to individual messages.
---- We all were new once - some of us forget what it was like.
suggest that you take a different approach to this - there are lot of people on this list and some of them get carried away
Learn to ignore / delete the messages from people that have rubbed you the wrong way - they need not be significant
Craig
We all were new once - some of us forget what it was like.
suggest that you take a different approach to this - there are lot of people on this list and some of them get carried away
Learn to ignore / delete the messages from people that have rubbed you the wrong way - they need not be significant
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 18:56, jim lawrence wrote:
Quote:
I wonder, How many times this Subjest will come up in the next month or so.
Based on the past rate about 2^15 times in the next month.....
Wow didn't take that long !
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:49:01 -0500, jim lawrence fedorajim@gmail.com wrote:
We all were new once - some of us forget what it was like.
suggest that you take a different approach to this - there are lot of people on this list and some of them get carried away
Learn to ignore / delete the messages from people that have rubbed you the wrong way - they need not be significant
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 18:56, jim lawrence wrote:
Quote:
I wonder, How many times this Subjest will come up in the next month or so.
Based on the past rate about 2^15 times in the next month.....
Wow didn't take that long !
Look ma, no top post!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig White" craigwhite@azapple.com To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: "Frank Stratton - VE3YY" fstratton@rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Re: TOP POSTING
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 09:56 -0500, Frank Stratton - VE3YY wrote:
Hi All,
I've decided to withdraw from this list, but before I do I want to have my 2 cents worth. I received a nasty message from a David CURRY (see below). This message was inappropriate and uncalled for. I am new to this list and if he had taken to time to explain what was required I would have changed from digest format to individual messages.
We all were new once - some of us forget what it was like.
suggest that you take a different approach to this - there are lot of people on this list and some of them get carried away
Learn to ignore / delete the messages from people that have rubbed you the wrong way - they need not be significant
I respectfully disagree. Every time someone is rude and we just ignore it, we are really condoning it. There is waaaay too much hostility out there, we should not tolerate it in our community. I believe this should be a safe, enjoyable place to come and participate in a friendly community and learn about a really cool technology. I see this sort of silly flame job entirely too often on this list. People hide behind the anonymity of the keyboard and treat people on the list in a way that (I hope) they would never dream of in person.
In my opinion, we should not tolerate this kind of bad behavior. If a new list member makes mistakes, I totally understand and agree with gently reminding them of the list preferences. But this newbie bashing is totally counter-productive. It alienates new users and enforces the impression that the Linux community is an elitist mob.
Thomas
you know, if the idea of top/side/fron/back posting upsets you...
you can always create your own moderated list, and invite whomever you want, and kick out whoever you don't like...
dammit, he used only small letters, and no caps, out he goes!!!
what, he's muslim, no more msgs for him!!
she's blonde, we don't care what she says.. she gets to stay!!
but seriously, aren't there more important things to talk about...
umm like fedora issues!
gotta keep laughing!
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 09:32, Thomas Cameron wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig White" craigwhite@azapple.com To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: "Frank Stratton - VE3YY" fstratton@rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Re: TOP POSTING
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 09:56 -0500, Frank Stratton - VE3YY wrote:
Hi All,
I've decided to withdraw from this list, but before I do I want to have my 2 cents worth. I received a nasty message from a David CURRY (see below). This message was inappropriate and uncalled for. I am new to this list and if he had taken to time to explain what was required I would have changed from digest format to individual messages.
We all were new once - some of us forget what it was like.
suggest that you take a different approach to this - there are lot of people on this list and some of them get carried away
Learn to ignore / delete the messages from people that have rubbed you the wrong way - they need not be significant
I respectfully disagree. Every time someone is rude and we just ignore it, we are really condoning it. There is waaaay too much hostility out there, we should not tolerate it in our community. I believe this should be a safe, enjoyable place to come and participate in a friendly community and learn about a really cool technology. I see this sort of silly flame job entirely too often on this list. People hide behind the anonymity of the keyboard and treat people on the list in a way that (I hope) they would never dream of in person.
In my opinion, we should not tolerate this kind of bad behavior. If a new list member makes mistakes, I totally understand and agree with gently reminding them of the list preferences. But this newbie bashing is totally counter-productive. It alienates new users and enforces the impression that the Linux community is an elitist mob.
Thomas
Thomas, well said. We were all newbies once - even the pompus types that refuse to admit it. I still make mistakes - one thing I don't need is someone flaming me when I'm trying to just get a little help with Fedora.
/Kevin
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 10:32 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig White" craigwhite@azapple.com To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: "Frank Stratton - VE3YY" fstratton@rogers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Re: TOP POSTING
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 09:56 -0500, Frank Stratton - VE3YY wrote:
Hi All,
I've decided to withdraw from this list, but before I do I want to have my 2 cents worth. I received a nasty message from a David CURRY (see below). This message was inappropriate and uncalled for. I am new to this list and if he had taken to time to explain what was required I would have changed from digest format to individual messages.
We all were new once - some of us forget what it was like.
suggest that you take a different approach to this - there are lot of people on this list and some of them get carried away
Learn to ignore / delete the messages from people that have rubbed you the wrong way - they need not be significant
I respectfully disagree. Every time someone is rude and we just ignore it, we are really condoning it. There is waaaay too much hostility out there, we should not tolerate it in our community. I believe this should be a safe, enjoyable place to come and participate in a friendly community and learn about a really cool technology. I see this sort of silly flame job entirely too often on this list. People hide behind the anonymity of the keyboard and treat people on the list in a way that (I hope) they would never dream of in person.
In my opinion, we should not tolerate this kind of bad behavior. If a new list member makes mistakes, I totally understand and agree with gently reminding them of the list preferences. But this newbie bashing is totally counter-productive. It alienates new users and enforces the impression that the Linux community is an elitist mob.
---- I know that you think this way and I respect you for it.
Unfortunately, there are some who simply cannot accept those that break their rules (no top posting - no html - etc.)
of course these are not official rules but are the 'assumed' rules by some who wish to make them official.
I personally don't like either top posting (makes it so hard to reply to a reply) or html (I often can't read them) but I agree, it makes little sense to beat people up.
Craig
frank...
don't let a few people get you down... post away!! post sideways if you want, post upside down...
frankly (pun intended) all i reall care about was did the poster get it right!!! did i get the relevant information i was searching for.. and if i come across the email later via a search, i like to be able to see the whole problem/resolution. but this is my thing!!
peace...
ps. yo' jesus, you can't top post, us romans don't like it!!!
-----Original Message----- From: fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Frank Stratton - VE3YY Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:57 AM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: TOP POSTING
Hi All,
I've decided to withdraw from this list, but before I do I want to have my 2 cents worth. I received a nasty message from a David CURRY (see below). This message was inappropriate and uncalled for. I am new to this list and if he had taken to time to explain what was required I would have changed from digest format to individual messages.
Instead this imbecile, ranted on about what a TURD I was. I don't believe this man would have said this if he was standing in front of me. I wonder how he thinks lowering the esteem of someone to his level accomplishes anything useful. Can you imagine having an employee of your company sending out emails with the kind of statements Mr. David Curry has made? I'd have his ass out the door so fast he wouldn't have to worry about being hit from behind by it.
Since Mr. David Curry seems to think I have offended Alexander Dalloz, and I wonder if that is the case. If so, I have no qualms about apologizing to Alexander and will do so gladly since he was very helpful to me. In cutting a pasting the parts of the digest format I wanted to acknowledge my thanks. If this breaks some net etiquette, then I apologize to all users of this list for my obvious lack of understanding. I thought that this list was about passing on solutions to problems; maybe I was wrong.
I think I understand why Alexander wants to have individual messages and post to the threads. A simple note when I signed up on this list would have solved that problem. I would have changed to individual message format and made his life easier.
Now back to Mr. David Curry. Mr. David Curry, I've been in the computer business since 1963. Since that time I've worked on just about every piece of hardware and software going. I've been around UNIX based systems since 1976 and in that time I've met many fine and upstanding people. They were courteous, kind, and helpful. None of which describes you in any way. I cannot imagine what kind of brain you have between your ears to write such an email to someone you do not know except by the contents of a single email. If I were your father, I would grab you and wash your mouth out with soap.
Thank you all for reading this far.
I am sincerely yours, Frank Stratton
-----Original Message----- From: David Curry [mailto:dsccable@comcast.net] Sent: March 30, 2005 12:09 AM To: Frank Stratton - VE3YY Subject: Re: /var/spool/up2date
Alexander Dalloz has made it quite clear on fedora-list that he urges people to avoid top posting and to interleave their replys to prior messages with the replys following only appropriate context material from the prior message.
You return his kindness of granting you the benefit of his fedora expertise by TOP POSTING your "thanks". That act tells me that you are either incredibly inept socially or a world class TURD who intended to publicly insult if not humiliate Alexander!
YOU OWE HIM AN APOLOGY!
------------------------------------ fstratton wrote:
Thanks Alexander,
I also moved the directory over to an alternate disk and put in a symbolic link. I found 3587 files in the up2date directory but it only has a few RPM files. Seems like a lot of information to keep around. I upgraded this system from Fedora Core 2 to Core 3 and applied the updates. I can't say that I'm very happy with the upgrade path. I lost the automount of CDROMs and some packages have some mysterious problems. I think I will back up my data the next time and "upgrade" by simply loading a new version and replacing the OS.
Cheers, Frank
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:39:57 +0200 From: Alexander Dalloz ad+lists@uni-x.org Subject: Re: Var/spool/up2date To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: 1111891197.11539.196.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Am So, den 27.03.2005 schrieb Frank Stratton - VE3YY um 3:52:
My /var/spool/up2date has grown to the point where it has over 300 MB of files in it. Can I delete the files in this directory?
Frank
Keep the .hdr files. I suggest you reconfigure up2date to not keep the RPMs after installation, if disk space is an issue for you.
Alexander
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Frank Stratton - VE3YY wrote:
Hi All,
I've decided to withdraw from this list, but before I do I want to have my 2 cents worth. I received a nasty message from a David CURRY (see below). This message was inappropriate and uncalled for.
I did not think so or I would not have sent it directly to you off list.
I am new to this list and if he had taken to time to explain what was required I would have changed from digest format to individual messages.
Instead this imbecile, ranted on about what a TURD I was. I don't believe this man would have said this if he was standing in front of me.
Wanna bet?
I wonder how he thinks lowering the esteem of someone to his level accomplishes anything useful. Can you imagine having an employee of your company sending out emails with the kind of statements Mr. David Curry has made? I'd have his ass out the door so fast he wouldn't have to worry about being hit from behind by it.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:48:05 -0500, David Curry dsccable@comcast.net wrote:
Frank Stratton - VE3YY wrote:
Hi All,
I've decided to withdraw from this list, but before I do I want to have my 2 cents worth. I received a nasty message from a David CURRY (see below). This message was inappropriate and uncalled for.
I did not think so or I would not have sent it directly to you off list.
I am new to this list and if he had taken to time to explain what was required I would have changed from digest format to individual messages.
Instead this imbecile, ranted on about what a TURD I was. I don't believe this man would have said this if he was standing in front of me.
Wanna bet?
I wonder how he thinks lowering the esteem of someone to his level accomplishes anything useful. Can you imagine having an employee of your company sending out emails with the kind of statements Mr. David Curry has made? I'd have his ass out the door so fast he wouldn't have to worry about being hit from behind by it.
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In the blue corner we have David Curry ........ And in the Red corner we have Frank Stratton................
You return his kindness of granting you the benefit of his fedora expertise by TOP POSTING your "thanks". That act tells me that you are either incredibly inept socially or a world class TURD who intended to publicly insult if not humiliate Alexander!
YOU OWE HIM AN APOLOGY!
World class TURD That can't be bad can it, I mean come on world class... LMAO
yeah... but world class is not in the same league as 'galaxy class'... gott keep striving!!
you guys are making it hard to get real work done!!
-----Original Message----- From: fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davis Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:02 PM To: For users of Fedora Core releases Subject: Re: TOP POSTING
You return his kindness of granting you the benefit of his fedora expertise by TOP POSTING your "thanks". That act tells me that you are either incredibly inept socially or a world class TURD who intended to publicly insult if not humiliate Alexander!
YOU OWE HIM AN APOLOGY!
World class TURD That can't be bad can it, I mean come on world class... LMAO
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