Hi,
How can I make the Fedora installer install the OS in Logical Volumes that lie on top of a RAID 1 MD-device?
I have some fairly specific ideas about how I want my harddisk space used, which previous versions of Fedora would allow with no problems:
sda1 -> /boot
sda2 \ -> md0 -> PV -> VG -> various different system LVs sdb2 /
sda3 \ -> md1 -> used directly as data partition sdb3 /
sda5 -> another data partition
sdb5 -> another data partition
The parts below md0 are not so important, I can easily add those manually after the system is installed and up and running (provided the installer will graciously leave me some unpartitioned space on my hds - another aspect that seems needlessly hard to control with the new partitioning tool). However, the parts on md0 really need to be supported by the installer itself, because that's where the actual OS is installed, and I just cannot seem to figure out how to make it do it this way. All it ever seems to do is collect all the available unpartitioned hd space on all selected hds and combine it into one large Volume Group...
Guido
On 01/11/2013 11:08 AM, Guido Winkelmann wrote:
How can I make the Fedora installer install the OS in Logical Volumes that lie on top of a RAID 1 MD-device?
I recommend using a live CD (or anaconda's alt+F2 shell) to create your desired layout.
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 06:08:50PM +0100, Guido Winkelmann wrote:
How can I make the Fedora installer install the OS in Logical Volumes that lie on top of a RAID 1 MD-device?
You can do it in kickstart, but not with the UI. That didn't make it into the new installer version but should be in F19 (I hope). See:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888863
On 2013-01-11 12:55, Matthew Miller wrote:
You can do it in kickstart, but not with the UI. That didn't make it into the new installer version but should be in F19 (I hope). See:
WTF. I love kickstart for servers, but not for a single desktop install! Guess I'll be skipping F18. :(
Ranbir
On 1/11/2013 3:17 PM, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
On 2013-01-11 12:55, Matthew Miller wrote:
You can do it in kickstart, but not with the UI. That didn't make it into the new installer version but should be in F19 (I hope). See:
WTF. I love kickstart for servers, but not for a single desktop install! Guess I'll be skipping F18. :(
Ranbir
I am sure that we will miss you. :-P
Am 11.01.2013 21:17, schrieb Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu:
On 2013-01-11 12:55, Matthew Miller wrote:
You can do it in kickstart, but not with the UI. That didn't make it into the new installer version but should be in F19 (I hope). See:
WTF. I love kickstart for servers, but not for a single desktop install! Guess I'll be skipping F18. :(
+1 unbelieveable that such rgressions are allowed for a GA release
i personally go so far that virtually nobody needs kickstart in most environments like mines because servers are generally virtualized here and new ones get cloned from a golden master
in this case dealing wit kickstart is wasted time
the currently used goldenmaster was nstalled 2008 with Fedora 9 and is pernanently upgraded until F17 now as all servers cloned from it
on a desktop system also leave me in peace with kickstart it's not worth to spent time for it and the environment ____________________________
finally this means F18 is a absolutely nogo for a fresh install because i am even faster to install F17 and upgrade to F18 directly after that on 100 Mbit WAN as waste my time to learn how to use kickstart which was needed the last 10 years here or not worth the time
On 2013-01-11 15:28, David wrote:
I am sure that we will miss you. :-P
It's ok. I'll be back for F19. Or maybe I'll be gone only long enough until my need to upgrade over takes my unwillingness to kickstart a F18 install.
In the meantime, I'm going to sit in the corner sulking!! Hrmph!
Ranbir
On 1/11/2013 3:49 PM, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
On 2013-01-11 15:28, David wrote:
I am sure that we will miss you. :-P
It's ok. I'll be back for F19. Or maybe I'll be gone only long enough until my need to upgrade over takes my unwillingness to kickstart a F18 install.
In the meantime, I'm going to sit in the corner sulking!! Hrmph!
Ranbir
I am still not sure that I understand exactly what your problem with Fedora 18 is but I do know that much changed. A never ending learning curve.
Am 11.01.2013 22:20, schrieb David:
On 1/11/2013 3:49 PM, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
On 2013-01-11 15:28, David wrote:
I am sure that we will miss you. :-P
It's ok. I'll be back for F19. Or maybe I'll be gone only long enough until my need to upgrade over takes my unwillingness to kickstart a F18 install.
In the meantime, I'm going to sit in the corner sulking!! Hrmph!
Ranbir
I am still not sure that I understand exactly what your problem with Fedora 18 is but I do know that much changed. A never ending learning curve.
* you buy new hardware * you buy expensive hardware with a large amount of disks * you want RAID/LVM on this new machine * you buy expensive hardware because you plan to run it 5 years * you want RAID/LVM because you plan never install from scratch
you simply can not do this by inserting a F18 install DVD without RTFM about kickstart because the new Anaconda is not GA ready
On 1/11/2013 4:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.01.2013 22:20, schrieb David:
On 1/11/2013 3:49 PM, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
On 2013-01-11 15:28, David wrote:
I am sure that we will miss you. :-P
It's ok. I'll be back for F19. Or maybe I'll be gone only long enough until my need to upgrade over takes my unwillingness to kickstart a F18 install.
In the meantime, I'm going to sit in the corner sulking!! Hrmph!
Ranbir
I am still not sure that I understand exactly what your problem with Fedora 18 is but I do know that much changed. A never ending learning curve.
- you buy new hardware
- you buy expensive hardware with a large amount of disks
- you want RAID/LVM on this new machine
- you buy expensive hardware because you plan to run it 5 years
- you want RAID/LVM because you plan never install from scratch
you simply can not do this by inserting a F18 install DVD without RTFM about kickstart because the new Anaconda is not GA ready
Hmmm.... I have read that Anaconda had problems this time. And, all due respects to the Anaconda team, as I understand it, there are some problems. However let me say that my systems(s) have never seen anything that i would call anything more than a 'hick-up' or a 'glitch'. with anything that Fedora has released sine Fedora 2. My first Fedora.
Sorry, truly sorry, for your problems. But. I would think that someone as knowledgeable as you actually should have RTFM to install Fedora on such fine, expensive hardware. Perhaps even RTFM *before* buying that fine, expensive hardware.
Ya' think?
On 01/12/2013 09:06 AM, David wrote:
On 1/11/2013 4:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.01.2013 22:20, schrieb David:
On 1/11/2013 3:49 PM, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
On 2013-01-11 15:28, David wrote:
I am sure that we will miss you. :-P
It's ok. I'll be back for F19. Or maybe I'll be gone only long enough until my need to upgrade over takes my unwillingness to kickstart a F18 install.
In the meantime, I'm going to sit in the corner sulking!! Hrmph!
Ranbir
I am still not sure that I understand exactly what your problem with Fedora 18 is but I do know that much changed. A never ending learning curve.
- you buy new hardware
- you buy expensive hardware with a large amount of disks
- you want RAID/LVM on this new machine
- you buy expensive hardware because you plan to run it 5 years
- you want RAID/LVM because you plan never install from scratch
you simply can not do this by inserting a F18 install DVD without RTFM about kickstart because the new Anaconda is not GA ready
Hmmm.... I have read that Anaconda had problems this time. And, all due respects to the Anaconda team, as I understand it, there are some problems. However let me say that my systems(s) have never seen anything that i would call anything more than a 'hick-up' or a 'glitch'. with anything that Fedora has released sine Fedora 2. My first Fedora.
Sorry, truly sorry, for your problems. But. I would think that someone as knowledgeable as you actually should have RTFM to install Fedora on such fine, expensive hardware. Perhaps even RTFM *before* buying that fine, expensive hardware.
Ya' think?
Not really.....
Previously, the release of firewalld in F17 as the default firewall was pulled when it was determined that it wasn't ready for prime-time in that the GUI for administering the firewall was not ready.
In the case of F18, they have chosen to move forward with a install process which *takes away* functionality. Once should not have to revert to figuring out Kickstart to get a disk configuration you desire when that option existed in the previous release.
I suppose one could argue that instead of installing F18 one could install F17 minimal install to get the desired disk configuration and then upgrade to F18.
But, hey, I'm only an end user. If I were involved with building the distribution I would have argued to hold-off on deploying the latest Anaconda (as was done with firewalld) until it had all the functionality previously available.
On 01/11/2013 09:27 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
In the case of F18, they have chosen to move forward with a install process which *takes away* functionality. Once should not have to revert to figuring out Kickstart to get a disk configuration you desire when that option existed in the previous release.
There's no need to use kickstart. Just use a live CD or the alt+F2 shell to create the storage configuration you want. Then start the installation.
Even when it supports the functionality you want, the new anaconda UI is never going to be *optimized* for the "hardware-up" way of thinking that works best for more complex setups, where you want fine-grained control of what goes where; it is very specifically targeting simpler workflows.
Am 12.01.2013 02:06, schrieb David:
On 1/11/2013 4:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.01.2013 22:20, schrieb David:
On 1/11/2013 3:49 PM, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
On 2013-01-11 15:28, David wrote:
I am sure that we will miss you. :-P
It's ok. I'll be back for F19. Or maybe I'll be gone only long enough until my need to upgrade over takes my unwillingness to kickstart a F18 install.
In the meantime, I'm going to sit in the corner sulking!! Hrmph!
Ranbir
I am still not sure that I understand exactly what your problem with Fedora 18 is but I do know that much changed. A never ending learning curve.
- you buy new hardware
- you buy expensive hardware with a large amount of disks
- you want RAID/LVM on this new machine
- you buy expensive hardware because you plan to run it 5 years
- you want RAID/LVM because you plan never install from scratch
you simply can not do this by inserting a F18 install DVD without RTFM about kickstart because the new Anaconda is not GA ready
Hmmm.... I have read that Anaconda had problems this time. And, all due respects to the Anaconda team, as I understand it, there are some problems.
Anaconda is a problem itself since years in the context of disklayout
Sorry, truly sorry, for your problems.
WTF - i explain you why anaconda is broken without having any problem currently because there is no hardware older than 2 years and so no machine will see F18 setup DVD ever
but that does not change the fact it is broken
But. I would think that someone as knowledgeable as you actually should have RTFM to install Fedora on such fine, expensive hardware.
*lol* ah that is the improvement of Fedora 18
knowledgeable people which have installed hundrets of fedora setups without reading any manual at all now need RTFM - laughable
Perhaps even RTFM *before* buying that fine, expensive hardware.
WTF are you babble here?
we are speaking here about LINUX SOFTWARE RAID / LVM this exists since virtualyl forever thos could have been used in the installer virtually forever
Am 12.01.2013 05:32, schrieb Ian Pilcher:
On 01/11/2013 09:27 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
In the case of F18, they have chosen to move forward with a install process which *takes away* functionality. Once should not have to revert to figuring out Kickstart to get a disk configuration you desire when that option existed in the previous release.
There's no need to use kickstart. Just use a live CD or the alt+F2 shell to create the storage configuration you want. Then start the installation.
Even when it supports the functionality you want, the new anaconda UI is never going to be *optimized* for the "hardware-up" way of thinking that works best for more complex setups, where you want fine-grained control of what goes where; it is very specifically targeting simpler workflows.
in other words: we will never see a really useable anaconda
even the one from F17 is a bad joke because it ALWAYS orders partitions itself instead create them in exactly the order you enter them - WHAT are developers thinking by implement such jokes?
it is hardly understandable that it is not possible have /boot, / and /data on 4 disks in exactly this order, no you got the opposite because it gets ordered by partition size
WTF - boot is usally the smallest and it was always a good idea to have boot as first partition, but hey why should a developer recall his decisions and test something