<On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:19:46 -0500, Phil Labonte plabonte@gmail.com wrote: I still fail to understand how top posting "interferes with the flow", if you read the original post why do you have to include it in your replies?>
I have to agree...but either way, top or bottom, if this is the 'etiquette' of the list, perhaps that could be explained to someone when they subscribe--not just getting snubbed when you top-post unknowingly. This is a rule I'm unfamiliar with--being new to the mail-list game. Don't just snub people about it (yes I'm talking to you Alexander Dalloz--see "Possible Apache or Squirrelmail Bug?" thread)--let someone know and then perhaps they won't do it anymore. And yes--you can do it in a nice way Mr. Dalloz! (See--I've already learned my lesson here!) Corey
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Am Mi, den 30.03.2005 schrieb Corey Head um 0:40:
<On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:19:46 -0500, Phil Labonte plabonte@gmail.com wrote:
I still fail to understand how top posting "interferes with the flow", if you read the original post why do you have to include it in your replies?>
I have to agree...but either way, top or bottom, if this is the 'etiquette' of the list, perhaps that could be explained to someone when they subscribe--not just getting snubbed when you top-post unknowingly.
You are right. That came already up some times. So far there only exist a non official guide which is not linked anywhere on the fedora.redhat.com site.
This is a rule I'm unfamiliar with--being new to the mail-list game. Don't just snub people about it (yes I'm talking to you Alexander Dalloz--see "Possible Apache or Squirrelmail Bug?" thread)--let someone know and then perhaps they won't do it anymore. And yes--you can do it in a nice way Mr. Dalloz!
Sorry Corey, you are right and I have to apologise. My comment was far too short to understand the context and connection to this thread you are now contributing. I am really sorry. Reviewing this thread you probably saw my todays words to it. Resigning (too often I tried to explain the problem with top-posting, even in private mails) I finally decided keep me out of threads, where due to top-posting I always will have to sort the text, looking for what is needed to quote and to which part of the previous quoted text the new top posted text belongs. I can ensure you it costs quite some time. And finally I don't see why I should spent that time when the people with questions or problem do not care. We'll see how it goes.
(See--I've already learned my lesson here!)
I see and honor that! Maybe you quickly will understand the "why" as this list has a high volume (once I read a mail I do not delete it, and getting it then quoted complete half a dozen times again wastes my traffic and mail storage space, besides the usual problem to see the linkage between quoted text and new text). Don't wonder getting 200 to 300 mails a day from here.
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On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 02:40:46PM -0800, Corey Head wrote:
I have to agree...but either way, top or bottom, if this is the 'etiquette' of the list, perhaps that could be explained to someone when they subscribe--not just getting snubbed when you top-post unknowingly. This is a rule I'm unfamiliar with--being new to the mail-list game. Don't just snub people about it (yes I'm talking to you Alexander Dalloz--see "Possible Apache or Squirrelmail Bug?" thread)--let someone know and then perhaps they won't do it anymore. And yes--you can do it in a nice way Mr. Dalloz!
Corey - Alex was not nasty, just concise and accurate.
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Odds are you'll screw up a few times on hacker community forums ? in ways detailed in this article, or similar. And you'll be told exactly how you screwed up, possibly with colourful asides. In public.
When this happens, the worst thing you can do is whine about the experience, claim to have been verbally assaulted, demand apologies, scream, hold your breath, threaten lawsuits, complain to people's employers, leave the toilet seat up, etc. Instead, here's what you do:
Get over it. It's normal. In fact, it's healthy and appropriate.
Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by people actively applying them, visibly, in public. Don't whine that all criticism should have been conveyed via private mail: That's not how it works. Nor is it useful to insist you've been personally insulted when someone comments that one of your claims was wrong, or that his views differ. Those are loser attitudes.
There have been hacker forums where, out of some misguided sense of hyper-courtesy, participants are banned from posting any fault-finding with another's posts, and told ?Don't say anything if you're unwilling to help the user.? The resulting departure of clueful participants to elsewhere causes them to descend into meaningless babble and become useless as technical forums.
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Despite the presence of those who wish to turn this list into one of meaningless babble, it will not be permitted to happen by those who inhabit it.
Corey Head wrote:
<On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:19:46 -0500, Phil Labonte plabonte@gmail.com wrote: I still fail to understand how top posting "interferes with the flow", if you read the original post why do you have to include it in your replies?>
I have to agree...but either way, top or bottom, if this is the 'etiquette' of the list, perhaps that could be explained to someone when they subscribe--not just getting snubbed when you top-post unknowingly.
Top posting has been a separate thread for a while now. If you have bothered to look at any of the messages exchanged on the thread you were aware of the list convention before receiving Alexander's reply. If you have bothered to read much of anything on this list you would have noticed that the predominant method of responding to messages is to place responses FOLLOWING the text prompting the response.
This is a rule I'm unfamiliar with--being new to the mail-list game. Don't just snub people about it (yes I'm talking to you Alexander Dalloz--see "Possible Apache or Squirrelmail Bug?" thread)--let someone know and then perhaps they won't do it anymore.
In light of the ongoing thread about top posting, you are going to have a tough time convincing a lot of other people on this list that you were totally unaware of the list convention before you responded to Alexander's second reply to your inconsiderate demands for further immediate attention.
And yes--you can do it in a nice way Mr. Dalloz! (See--I've already learned my lesson here!) Corey
Your attack on Alexander is TOTALLY unwarranted and suggests to this reader that you are one clueless, conceited, immature, inconsiderate, self-centered, picky beggar. What makes you think that Alexander "owed" you a response of any kind to any of your questions? What makes you think you are entitled to anything at all from Alexander or from anyone else on this list????
The gist of your remarks indicates that you have only begun to learn.
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