Hello,
I'm having trouble with evolution... and, somehow, I think it's not an evolution bug...
Sometime evolution (and gthumb viewer, games and some others) freeze. I don't always get a bugbudy screen but, when I do, I always see some thread64 lib that has something to do with it.
I have installed the debug symbols so I can post a real good bug about this. I promise to take note of the exact library next time I get a bugbudy screen (or do a traceback).
Anyway, I think we have a bug in some multythread lib... anybody experiencing anything like this?
p.s. I've read enough "evolution sucks; use thunderbird" so please refrain... if possible ;=s
hi!
Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I'm having trouble with evolution... and, somehow, I think it's not an evolution bug...
Sometime evolution (and gthumb viewer, games and some others) freeze. I don't always get a bugbudy screen but, when I do, I always see some thread64 lib that has something to do with it.
I have installed the debug symbols so I can post a real good bug about this. I promise to take note of the exact library next time I get a bugbudy screen (or do a traceback).
Anyway, I think we have a bug in some multythread lib... anybody experiencing anything like this?
p.s. I've read enough "evolution sucks; use thunderbird" so please refrain... if possible ;=s -- Renich Bon Ciric <renich@woralelandia.com mailto:renich@woralelandia.com> Woralelandia
ok, fine, i won't tell you to go for thunderbird... you can try claws mail for sometime then, got interface almost like evolution, you can copy between imap servers etc.. you might like to give it a try until you can get a solution for evolution...
why i am not posting any possible solution ?? well, i use thunderbird !! evolution sucks...
regards, amit.
Am Freitag, den 22.06.2007, 04:26 -0500 schrieb Renich Bon Ciric:
Hello,
I'm having trouble with evolution... and, somehow, I think it's not an evolution bug...
Sometime evolution (and gthumb viewer, games and some others) freeze. I don't always get a bugbudy screen but, when I do, I always see some thread64 lib that has something to do with it.
I have installed the debug symbols so I can post a real good bug about this. I promise to take note of the exact library next time I get a bugbudy screen (or do a traceback).
Anyway, I think we have a bug in some multythread lib... anybody experiencing anything like this?
Yes. After a couple of hours with evolution opened, the process uses up to 80% CPU (looking with the top command). The only bad solution is killing the process and restarting evolution. How do you notice that lib is the problem?
Anyone else?
On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 08:02 -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
Yes. After a couple of hours with evolution opened, the process uses up to 80% CPU (looking with the top command). The only bad solution is killing the process and restarting evolution. How do you notice that lib is the problem?
Well, I have seen it on trackbacks... sometimes I get a bugbuddy window... that's the way I've noticed... I have noticed the same problem with other programs... maybe a lib is not cool. I haven't gotten any bugbuddy windows and don't know how to trackback it myself.
Anyway, I'll take notes next time; I've installed the debug packages of evolution so I can post a good bug once bugbuddy responds to a crash.
Hi Renich,
On 6/22/07, Renich Bon Ciric renich@woralelandia.com wrote:
Hello,
I'm having trouble with evolution... and, somehow, I think it's not an evolution bug...
Sometime evolution (and gthumb viewer, games and some others) freeze. I don't always get a bugbudy screen but, when I do, I always see some thread64 lib that has something to do with it.
I have installed the debug symbols so I can post a real good bug about this. I promise to take note of the exact library next time I get a bugbudy screen (or do a traceback).
Anyway, I think we have a bug in some multythread lib... anybody experiencing anything like this?
On my core duo system (32bit) evolution is also crashing all the time and I don't even get bugbuddy popups. At the moment I'm using thunderbird to access the mail servers but would like to stay with evolution because of the address book and the ability to handle ics attachments correctly. I also think the problem is not evolution itself, since the version from rawhide crashes as often as the F7 version.
Chris
On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 04:26 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I'm having trouble with evolution... and, somehow, I think it's not an evolution bug...
Sometime evolution (and gthumb viewer, games and some others) freeze. I don't always get a bugbudy screen but, when I do, I always see some thread64 lib that has something to do with it.
I have installed the debug symbols so I can post a real good bug about this. I promise to take note of the exact library next time I get a bugbudy screen (or do a traceback).
Anyway, I think we have a bug in some multythread lib... anybody experiencing anything like this?
p.s. I've read enough "evolution sucks; use thunderbird" so please refrain... if possible ;=s -- Renich Bon Ciric renich@woralelandia.com Woralelandia --
I was having this problem recently as well. It seemed some kind of service was crashing in the background which evo needs to work properly. I had tried everything and then finally rebooted. It has solved my problem here. No more crashes or slowdowns when loading my folders. I think on of the recent updates may have been the cause, but for 2 days now no crashes and no slowdowns.
Claws mail is very nice though as well. There are just some things in evo I really like so I keep using it.
Hi same problem;
I am adding a copy of a post I sent to the evolution users list, plus some comments I got back. Maybe my info can help diagnose what is going on.
On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 04:26 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote:
Hello,
I'm having trouble with evolution... and, somehow, I think it's not an evolution bug...
Sometime evolution (and gthumb viewer, games and some others) freeze. I don't always get a bugbudy screen but, when I do, I always see some thread64 lib that has something to do with it.
I have installed the debug symbols so I can post a real good bug about this. I promise to take note of the exact library next time I get a bugbudy screen (or do a traceback).
Anyway, I think we have a bug in some multythread lib... anybody experiencing anything like this?
"To: Evolution Users Mailing List Subject:
[Evolution] Persistent intermittent Compose widow freeze ?? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:22:12 -0400 Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 (2.10.2-2.fc7)
Has anyone else had this problem? Is it a bug?
Every now and then my compose window freezes and freezes all other applications on my machine. My hard drive comes on and continues to run for no apparent reason. The CPU does not seem to be being used but can only recognize a keyboard or mouse command every 10 - 30 seconds or so.
The only way out is to Ctrl-Alt-Fx; login as root, killall -u user, and reboot. It feels like the compose widow has set up a loop. I say feels like because I have been unable to catch it with top or see if a continuous swap has been going on.
It is not a new problem. I have had it happen to me in FC5, FC6 and now F-7. This freezing is rare and seems random, but persistent. ... "
Evo List suggestions that the hard drive was thrashing between swap and memory.
I've downloaded evolution-debug and will try and capture the problem from xterm the next time it happens. F-7 has frozen three or four times over the last week. It also happened in earlier Fedora versions, but only re-occured every 3 to 5 months randomly.
Whatever the original problem, F-7 seems to have exacerbated it.
No solutions, but I hope this adds to the understanding of the problem.
When this happened to me, and it was one of the infrequent times that BugBuddy was able to capture it, I just so happened to be launching it from the command line (because I can never remember where "killev" is and have to do rpm -ql | fgrep to find it, and I was just doing 'killev && evolution' over and over to get through the day that day).
One thing that gets printed to stdout but that does NOT get captured by BugBuddy is this:
glibc detected *** evolution: free(): invalid pointer:
Then there's a hex number, but it's different every time.
I have this fantasy that reporting the free() thing will be an "aha" moment for somebody. I'm in love with what evolution promises to do, and I'm always heartened when a new Fedora comes out with evolution as the default user agent. I'd like very much for it to Just Work.
But alas. My usage pattern apparently is hell on evolution's stability.
My bugzilla.gnome.org bug number is 449842, if somebody wants to help corroborate the fact that evolution just freezes sometimes--but not any time in particular (the bug report is still in the "Unconfirmed" state). I'm well aware that my ability to describe my own freezing problem kind of sucks, so there's a good chance that another number would be better.
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 01:35 +0200, bucky wrote:
When this happened to me, and it was one of the infrequent times that BugBuddy was able to capture it, I just so happened to be launching it from the command line (because I can never remember where "killev" is and have to do rpm -ql | fgrep to find it, and I was just doing 'killev && evolution' over and over to get through the day that day).
One thing that gets printed to stdout but that does NOT get captured by BugBuddy is this:
glibc detected *** evolution: free(): invalid pointer:
Then there's a hex number, but it's different every time.
I have this fantasy that reporting the free() thing will be an "aha" moment for somebody. I'm in love with what evolution promises to do, and I'm always heartened when a new Fedora comes out with evolution as the default user agent. I'd like very much for it to Just Work.
But alas. My usage pattern apparently is hell on evolution's stability.
My bugzilla.gnome.org bug number is 449842, if somebody wants to help corroborate the fact that evolution just freezes sometimes--but not any time in particular (the bug report is still in the "Unconfirmed" state). I'm well aware that my ability to describe my own freezing problem kind of sucks, so there's a good chance that another number would be better.
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I would suggest there is something wrong with your evolution software but this freezing does not happen to me, I would start from the beginning and remove all your evolution software and start with a fresh install. -- ======================================================================= Everyone is entitled to my opinion. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
I would suggest there is something wrong with your evolution software but this freezing does not happen to me, I would start from the beginning and remove all your evolution software and start with a fresh install.
I'm also experiencing the freezing. First on an updated F7 which I installed freshly when the freezing occurred. Now I installed evolution 2.11 from rawhide and it is still freezing every few minutes. Right now I have to decide to use whether claws mail or thunderbird because evolution is unusable on my system.
Chris
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 17:40 +0200, Christian Menzel wrote:
I would suggest there is something wrong with your evolution software but this freezing does not happen to me, I would start from the beginning and remove all your evolution software and start with a fresh install.
I'm also experiencing the freezing. First on an updated F7 which I installed freshly when the freezing occurred. Now I installed evolution 2.11 from rawhide and it is still freezing every few minutes. Right now I have to decide to use whether claws mail or thunderbird because evolution is unusable on my system.
Chris
The word "updated" caught my eye. So this is not a F7 installed from scratch. Leads me to believe you may have some parts of the evolution system from and earlier version. Is that possible?
I can't argue with your experience and my saying it does not happen to me does not help. I know. -- ======================================================================= If opportunity came disguised as temptation, one knock would be enough. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 10:15:43AM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I would suggest there is something wrong with your evolution software but this freezing does not happen to me, I would start from the beginning and remove all your evolution software and start with a fresh install.
That won't solve *anything*. Evolution is the problem, and I've been experiencing your daily random crash more than once a day. I've installed an IMAP server on my localhost and transfered almost all of my email into it.
Now I can read my email with any email client. Evolution is still needed because of meetings and stuff like that, which I need to because of the Microsoft-dominated corporate network of the company I work at.
However, I'm almost in heaven:
imap+fetchmail+procmail+mutt
Evo can crash all it wants, but I'm tired of depending on it, and I've got a lot more free memory :)
Rui
Aaron Konstam wrote: Quote: I would suggest there is something wrong with your evolution software but this freezing does not happen to me, I would start from the beginning and remove all your evolution software and start with a fresh install.
That's a great idea, and I have tried it.
Alas. It didn't help. Moreover, I've had the same problem with Evolution for years. It's just that FC7 is the first version that actually accepted bug reports for Evolution (before, it would pop up Bug Buddy, and then thumb its nose at you when you hit Submit: "Evolution? Never heard of it!").
But the fact that Evolution is RedHat's recommended email client is why I'm thinking it's something weird about how I /use/ Evolution that exposes something other people don't often see. That's why I keep digging for stuff that might illuminate what's going on. But I know I'm proceeding in a naive fashion. I just don't know the kind of information that will help.
I stopped using Evolution because it's started freezing on sending, and when I re-launched, it would send that message a second time. I didn't realize what it was doing until yesterday when I got one of those "What's your deal?" messages. So I'm giving it a rest at least until my frustration cools down.
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 10:16 +0200, bucky wrote:
Alas. It didn't help. Moreover, I've had the same problem with Evolution for years. It's just that FC7 is the first version that actually accepted bug reports for Evolution (before, it would pop up Bug Buddy, and then thumb its nose at you when you hit Submit: "Evolution? Never heard of it!").
Have you ever tried creating a new user and using evolution from it for a bit *withOUT* copying over any data or anything and see what happens? And if so, is this an upgraded machine, maybe even from before FC6? Maybe doing a fresh install and trying it from scratch? Sometimes it's better to every so often, create it all brand new, create your filters and folders from scratch, and just import your addressbook and that's it.
Sometimes a fresh base is what is needed to stop causing some of the problems.
Am Mittwoch, den 27.06.2007, 07:56 -0500 schrieb Mike Chambers:
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 10:16 +0200, bucky wrote:
Alas. It didn't help. Moreover, I've had the same problem with Evolution for years. It's just that FC7 is the first version that actually accepted bug reports for Evolution (before, it would pop up Bug Buddy, and then thumb its nose at you when you hit Submit: "Evolution? Never heard of it!").
Have you ever tried creating a new user and using evolution from it for a bit *withOUT* copying over any data or anything and see what happens? And if so, is this an upgraded machine, maybe even from before FC6? Maybe doing a fresh install and trying it from scratch? Sometimes it's better to every so often, create it all brand new, create your filters and folders from scratch, and just import your addressbook and that's it.
I had the problem until last week, when I changed the automatic search of POP3s mails (4 accounts) from each minute to ten. No more problems, incredibly, uptime 4 days. Perhaps are you getting mails too continuously? ---------------------------------------------- Rodolfo Alcazar - rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo 591-70656800, -22417628, LA PAZ, BOLIVIA otbits.blogspot.com / counter.li.org: #367962 ---------------------------------------------- - I'm Bender, baby! Please insert liquor!
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 12:29 -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
I had the problem until last week, when I changed the automatic search of POP3s mails (4 accounts) from each minute to ten.
Hmm, I can imagine a few ISPs regarding polling their servers once a minute to be excessive. If enough of their clients did the same thing it'd be a DoS.
Am Donnerstag, den 28.06.2007, 16:24 +0930 schrieb Tim:
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 12:29 -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
I had the problem until last week, when I changed the automatic search of POP3s mails (4 accounts) from each minute to ten.
Hmm, I can imagine a few ISPs regarding polling their servers once a minute to be excessive. If enough of their clients did the same thing it'd be a DoS.
First: A couple of times I experienced as working in Evolution, that it behaves as hanging up (swap use grows a lot), top reports more than 90% of "MEM" use, dont know if that includes swap. That finishes in about 30 seconds. Read below my assumption, please.
Oh, yea, of course, with external ISPs, that would be a DoS. But I have no external accounts but google, from which my evolution pick messages every hour (always). These are my accounts: /var/spool/mail/rodolfoap, rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo, sistemas@padep.org.bo, being padep.org.bo my mailserver, in my local network; 4. An another enterprise page's webmaster (webmaster@forodac.org.bo) , staying forodac.org.bo also in my local network.
(and 5, google, but that doesn't count, always was set for an hour).
As you see, all are local mailservers. My perception is that spamassassin was loading more and more the CPU, caused by evolution. When I was picking up my mail every minute, maybe spamassasin's load was growing and growing. Then arrives the next minute and the consequential picking up, finishing loading more and more the processor. Unique solution by that time, pkill evolution.
Anyway, my problem is solved, picking up mail every 15/30 minutes, depending of the importance of the account. Iwould be happy knowing the root of the problem.
Good luck. ---------------------------------------------- Rodolfo Alcazar - rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo 591-70656800, -22417628, LA PAZ, BOLIVIA otbits.blogspot.com / counter.li.org: #367962 ---------------------------------------------- - Only one man in a thousand is a leader of men. The other 999 follow women. Groucho Marx
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 07:20 -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
all are local mailservers. My perception is that spamassassin was loading more and more the CPU, caused by evolution. When I was picking up my mail every minute, maybe spamassasin's load was growing and growing. Then arrives the next minute and the consequential picking up, finishing loading more and more the processor.
With your system, you're probably better off using something else to collect in the mail and spam-assess it, having Evolution just show you what it's collected and sorted, already.
There's quite a few that advocate not using spamassassin from within Evolution. Me, I don't use it, at all. My spam's vastly outnumbered by ham, and it's a pig of a CPU load to assess everything. I just hit delete, there's some personal satisfaction in doing that.
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 16:24 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 12:29 -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
I had the problem until last week, when I changed the automatic search of POP3s mails (4 accounts) from each minute to ten.
Hmm, I can imagine a few ISPs regarding polling their servers once a minute to be excessive. If enough of their clients did the same thing it'd be a DoS.
Doing a check for new mail every minute would indeed tax the system unduly. -- ======================================================================= Creating computer software is always a demanding and painstaking process -- an exercise in logic, clear expression, and almost fanatical attention to detail. It requires intelligence, dedication, and an enormous amount of hard work. But, a certain amount of unpredictable and often unrepeatable inspiration is what usually makes the difference between adequacy and excellence. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
Am Donnerstag, den 28.06.2007, 08:45 -0500 schrieb Aaron Konstam:
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 16:24 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 12:29 -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
I had the problem until last week, when I changed the automatic search of POP3s mails (4 accounts) from each minute to ten.
Hmm, I can imagine a few ISPs regarding polling their servers once a minute to be excessive. If enough of their clients did the same thing it'd be a DoS.
Doing a check for new mail every minute would indeed tax the system unduly.
mmm... why? is picking up mail so a heavy task? picking up mail from one account should take 15 seconds of 90% CPU/mem load? That's by far too much! ---------------------------------------------- Rodolfo Alcazar - rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo 591-70656800, -22417628, LA PAZ, BOLIVIA otbits.blogspot.com / counter.li.org: #367962 ---------------------------------------------- - Save my friends! And Zoidberg! Bender
Aaron Konstam:
Doing a check for new mail every minute would indeed tax the system unduly.
Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo:
mmm... why? is picking up mail so a heavy task? picking up mail from one account should take 15 seconds of 90% CPU/mem load? That's by far too much!
Why could rapid mail checking be a DoS? - Typically, ISPs have *far* more customers than their servers can simultaneously handle. They rely on most of the customers not using the mail server at the same time, nor very frequently. If all their clients did that, or just too many of them, it ties the server up (a DoS to others trying to use it). Polling POP, or even IMAP, isn't a replacement for running your own SMTP server.
I don't quite think the above was what you were asking about, but never mind. Someone else might find it useful, and I was trying to cover all the bases.
Why is your client using heavy CPU checking for mail? - My guess is that spam assassin is looking at it coming through, checking against a plethora of rules. Evolution can get nastily heavy and slow at filtering mail, especially if you're also doing the remote checks.
Am Freitag, den 29.06.2007, 06:50 +0930 schrieb Tim:
Aaron Konstam:
Doing a check for new mail every minute would indeed tax the system unduly.
Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo:
mmm... why? is picking up mail so a heavy task? picking up mail from one account should take 15 seconds of 90% CPU/mem load? That's by far too much!
Why could rapid mail checking be a DoS? - Typically, ISPs have *far* more customers than their servers can simultaneously handle. They rely on most of the customers not using the mail server at the same time, nor very frequently. If all their clients did that, or just too many of them, it ties the server up (a DoS to others trying to use it). Polling POP, or even IMAP, isn't a replacement for running your own SMTP server.
Tim, maybe you missed something, so I repeat:
1) Evolution crashed constantly while I was picking main from 4 accounts evey minute in Fedora7. Then I made clear the 4 accounts correspond to 2 servers in my LAN. No external ISPs! That used to work fine (4 picking-ups each every minute) in FC6. Solution: pick up mail every 15/30 min. Worked like a charm. But Evo gets slow once in a while.
2) Anyway, if an ISP blocks constant pop3/imap/(s) email picking, is no reason for Evolution to horribly crash and slow the pc.
Why is your client using heavy CPU checking for mail? - My guess is that spam assassin is looking at it coming through, checking against a plethora of rules. Evolution can get nastily heavy and slow at filtering mail, especially if you're also doing the remote checks.
Right and thanks 4 the tip, Ive supposed the same, and a week ago added this crontab rule, just to try what happens:
0 0 * * * /bin/rm /home/rodolfoap/.spamassassin/*
Anyway, evolution got slow a couple of times again. Tried rpm -e spamassassin, but it sez evolution needs him. haha.... I tried switching to thunderbird, but I perl-export evolution's contacts BerkleyDB to my LDAP server, and sync Evo contacts/tasks/memos with my Palm, which really works GOOD. Hope the bug get fixed soon.
Thanks, bye!
Am Donnerstag, den 28.06.2007, 08:45 -0500 schrieb Aaron Konstam:
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 16:24 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 12:29 -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
I had the problem until last week, when I changed the automatic search of POP3s mails (4 accounts) from each minute to ten.
Hmm, I can imagine a few ISPs regarding polling their servers once a minute to be excessive. If enough of their clients did the same thing it'd be a DoS.
Doing a check for new mail every minute would indeed tax the system unduly.
mmm... why? is picking up mail so a heavy task? picking up mail from one account should take 15 seconds of 90% CPU/mem load? That's by far too much! ---------------------------------------------- Rodolfo Alcazar - rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo 591-70656800, -22417628, LA PAZ, BOLIVIA otbits.blogspot.com / counter.li.org: #367962 ---------------------------------------------- - Save my friends! And Zoidberg! Bender
Ha! Got the bugbuddy to trackback the crash!
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451058
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:26:14 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric scripst:
I'm having trouble with evolution... and, somehow, I think it's not an evolution bug...
There was real bug in Evo which made it freeze quite frequently (up to the level of me who is paid to use standard Red Hat desktop stuff had to switch for a moment to TB) -- current package in updates-testing made it work for me. The release evolution-2.10.2-3.fc7 is what you want.
Does it help?
Matěj