Yesterday I installed the Dislin-9.2-1 Linux rpm along with openmotif 2.2.3.10.fc4.2 and xorg-X11-libs 6.8.1-12.fc3.1, which it requires. When I tried to link it, I got a message that libXm.so.3 was missing. This should have been installed with openmotif, but apparently wasn't.
In trying to resolve this issue, I brought up the Synaptic package manager, and it said that 37 packages had been broken. To fix the broken packages, it wanted to remove the 3 packages I just installed. The broken packages are:
libdmx, libfontenc, libICE, libSM, libX11, llibXau, libXaw, libXcomposite, libXcursor, libXdamage, libXdmcp, libXevie, libXext, libXfixes, libXfont, libXfontcache, libXft, libxi, libxi, libXinerama, libXinerama, libxkbfile, libXmu, libXpm, libXandr, libXrender, libXres, libXScmSaver, libXt, libXTrap, libxtst, libXv, libXvMC, libXxf86dga, libXxf86misc, libXxf86vm, mesa-libGL, and mesa-libGLU
This is a big show-stopper for me. I am in the process of porting a major application system from SUSE 9.0 and G77 to Fedora 8 and Gfortran. I am not interested in all the new features that these broken libraries support (whatever they are). I just want to be able to demo this application to my client in 3 weeks.
Please advise a course of action.
Joseph Thames wrote:
Yesterday I installed the Dislin-9.2-1 Linux rpm along with openmotif 2.2.3.10.fc4.2 and xorg-X11-libs 6.8.1-12.fc3.1, which it requires. When I tried to link it, I got a message that libXm.so.3 was missing. This should have been installed with openmotif, but apparently wasn't.
In trying to resolve this issue, I brought up the Synaptic package manager, and it said that 37 packages had been broken. To fix the broken packages, it wanted to remove the 3 packages I just installed. The broken packages are:
libdmx, libfontenc, libICE, libSM, libX11, llibXau, libXaw, libXcomposite, libXcursor, libXdamage, libXdmcp, libXevie, libXext, libXfixes, libXfont, libXfontcache, libXft, libxi, libxi, libXinerama, libXinerama, libxkbfile, libXmu, libXpm, libXandr, libXrender, libXres, libXScmSaver, libXt, libXTrap, libxtst, libXv, libXvMC, libXxf86dga, libXxf86misc, libXxf86vm, mesa-libGL, and mesa-libGLU
This is a big show-stopper for me. I am in the process of porting a major application system from SUSE 9.0 and G77 to Fedora 8 and Gfortran. I am not interested in all the new features that these broken libraries support (whatever they are). I just want to be able to demo this application to my client in 3 weeks.
Please advise a course of action.
Is it me or... I dunno, if you are using Fedora 8, what makes you think installing OpenMotif (FC4) and Xorg libs from FC3 are not going to break things?
I'm not a coder by all means however, a little common sense tells me there will be issues.
Just my uneducated 2 bits worth.
Regards, Chris
Joseph Thames wrote:
Yesterday I installed the Dislin-9.2-1 Linux rpm along with openmotif 2.2.3.10.fc4.2 and xorg-X11-libs 6.8.1-12.fc3.1, which it requires. When I tried to link it, I got a message that libXm.so.3 was missing. This should have been installed with openmotif, but apparently wasn't.
In trying to resolve this issue, I brought up the Synaptic package manager, and it said that 37 packages had been broken. To fix the broken packages, it wanted to remove the 3 packages I just installed. The broken packages are:
libdmx, libfontenc, libICE, libSM, libX11, llibXau, libXaw, libXcomposite, libXcursor, libXdamage, libXdmcp, libXevie, libXext, libXfixes, libXfont, libXfontcache, libXft, libxi, libxi, libXinerama, libXinerama, libxkbfile, libXmu, libXpm, libXandr, libXrender, libXres, libXScmSaver, libXt, libXTrap, libxtst, libXv, libXvMC, libXxf86dga, libXxf86misc, libXxf86vm, mesa-libGL, and mesa-libGLU
This is a big show-stopper for me. I am in the process of porting a major application system from SUSE 9.0 and G77 to Fedora 8 and Gfortran. I am not interested in all the new features that these broken libraries support (whatever they are). I just want to be able to demo this application to my client in 3 weeks.
Please advise a course of action.
You should find packages built for Fedora 8 or rebuild them for Fedora 8. Installing a bunch of packages built for fc4 and fc3 hardly seems likely to work well.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:43:28 -0600 "Joseph Thames" beartham@gmail.com wrote:
Yesterday I installed the Dislin-9.2-1 Linux rpm along with openmotif 2.2.3.10.fc4.2 and xorg-X11-libs 6.8.1-12.fc3.1, which it requires.
You installed a Fedora 3 X library on a Fedora 8 box ? Yes that would make a mess. Put the Fedora 8 X libraries it lists as broken back and your machine should be well again. I'm suprised it was possible as yum should have spotted any clashing files.
Fedora doesn't, as you've noticed, include openmotif just lesstif. You can either build OpenMotif yourself against a modern X library set or build the app against lesstif. We don't include OpenMotif because it is non-free software and in addition has some really peculiar licencing interactions (eg you can't use it with the binary Nvidia drivers as it may only be used with an "Open Source Operating System")
Alan
* Joseph Thames wrote, On 03/19/2008 06:43 PM:
Yesterday I installed the Dislin-9.2-1 Linux rpm along with openmotif 2.2.3.10.fc4.2 and xorg-X11-libs 6.8.1-12.fc3.1, which it requires. When I tried to link it, I got a message that libXm.so.3 was missing. This should have been installed with openmotif, but apparently wasn't.
In trying to resolve this issue, I brought up the Synaptic package manager, and it said that 37 packages had been broken. To fix the broken packages, it wanted to remove the 3 packages I just installed. The broken packages are:
libdmx, libfontenc, libICE, libSM, libX11, llibXau, libXaw, libXcomposite, libXcursor, libXdamage, libXdmcp, libXevie, libXext, libXfixes, libXfont, libXfontcache, libXft, libxi, libxi, libXinerama, libXinerama, libxkbfile, libXmu, libXpm, libXandr, libXrender, libXres, libXScmSaver, libXt, libXTrap, libxtst, libXv, libXvMC, libXxf86dga, libXxf86misc, libXxf86vm, mesa-libGL, and mesa-libGLU
This is a big show-stopper for me. I am in the process of porting a major application system from SUSE 9.0 and G77 to Fedora 8 and Gfortran. I am not interested in all the new features that these broken libraries support (whatever they are). I just want to be able to demo this application to my client in 3 weeks.
Please advise a course of action.
It seems you've picked i386 rpm, rather than the i586 one: http://www.mps.mpg.de/dislin/linux.html http://www.mps.mpg.de/dislin/linux_i386.html
Alan Cox wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:43:28 -0600 "Joseph Thames" beartham@gmail.com wrote:
Yesterday I installed the Dislin-9.2-1 Linux rpm along with openmotif 2.2.3.10.fc4.2 and xorg-X11-libs 6.8.1-12.fc3.1, which it requires.
You installed a Fedora 3 X library on a Fedora 8 box ? Yes that would make a mess. Put the Fedora 8 X libraries it lists as broken back and your machine should be well again. I'm suprised it was possible as yum should have spotted any clashing files.
Fedora doesn't, as you've noticed, include openmotif just lesstif. You can either build OpenMotif yourself against a modern X library set or build the app against lesstif. We don't include OpenMotif because it is non-free software and in addition has some really peculiar licencing interactions (eg you can't use it with the binary Nvidia drivers as it may only be used with an "Open Source Operating System")
Installing lesstif is a waste of time. Its a useless piece of junk, and people like RedHat and other distribution vendors are to blame. It was moving alone nicely until they decided OpenMotif was good. By the time they decided it was bad people had given up working on lesstif. Maybe it was all a big plot to kill off the motif world completely. Whatever the cause, it now means using Grace, Nedit and a few other favourites is a right PITA with Fedora.
Steve
Steve Underwood wrote:
Installing lesstif is a waste of time. Its a useless piece of junk, and people like RedHat and other distribution vendors are to blame. It was moving alone nicely until they decided OpenMotif was good. By the time they decided it was bad people had given up working on lesstif. Maybe it was all a big plot to kill off the motif world completely.
Motif had plenty of time to make itself available before anyone tried to clone it. You don't need to blame anyone else for killing it off.
Whatever the cause, it now means using Grace, Nedit and a few other favourites is a right PITA with Fedora.
Yes, if Motif had been open, or lesstif had worked from the start, a lot of things could be about a decade ahead of where they are now...
I was in a similar situation recently, but had libXm.so.4 installed instead of libXm.so.3. If you are in the same boat, you can install the i586 Linux distribution of Dislin which is compiled for libXm.so.4. That's after you back out the variuos changes that broke the 37 libs. HTH, Dave
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
Steve Underwood wrote:
Installing lesstif is a waste of time. Its a useless piece of junk, and people like RedHat and other distribution vendors are to blame. It was moving alone nicely until they decided OpenMotif was good. By the time they decided it was bad people had given up working on lesstif. Maybe it was all a big plot to kill off the motif world completely.
Motif had plenty of time to make itself available before anyone tried to clone it. You don't need to blame anyone else for killing it off.
Whatever the cause, it now means using Grace, Nedit and a few other favourites is a right PITA with Fedora.
Yes, if Motif had been open, or lesstif had worked from the start, a lot of things could be about a decade ahead of where they are now...
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There was a major revision of the xorg tree betweeen Fedora 6 and 7. Anything using X would have to be compiled against the new structure. Guess what, the same is to come in Fedora 9.
Robert McBroom
Les Mikesell wrote:
Steve Underwood wrote:
Installing lesstif is a waste of time. Its a useless piece of junk, and people like RedHat and other distribution vendors are to blame. It was moving alone nicely until they decided OpenMotif was good. By the time they decided it was bad people had given up working on lesstif. Maybe it was all a big plot to kill off the motif world completely.
Motif had plenty of time to make itself available before anyone tried to clone it. You don't need to blame anyone else for killing it off.
Whatever the cause, it now means using Grace, Nedit and a few other favourites is a right PITA with Fedora.
Yes, if Motif had been open, or lesstif had worked from the start, a lot of things could be about a decade ahead of where they are now...
Well, that seems like a totally meaningless response, lacking any connection with history.
OpenMotif was made open. The distros, like RedHat went for it and dropped support for lesstif, killing its development. Later, they decided OpenMotif wasn't open enough after all - seems like a case of a lack of due diligence - but by this time lesstif had withered and died. Now they have put a totally useless lesstif back into their distros, and carry on as if nothing is wrong. The only snag is nothing requiring a motif environment actually works properly.
Regards, Steve
On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 19:09 +0800, Steve Underwood wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Yes, if Motif had been open, or lesstif had worked from the start, a lot of things could be about a decade ahead of where they are now...
Well, that seems like a totally meaningless response, lacking any connection with history.
OpenMotif was made open. The distros, like RedHat went for it and dropped support for lesstif, killing its development. Later, they decided OpenMotif wasn't open enough after all - seems like a case of a lack of due diligence - but by this time lesstif had withered and died. Now they have put a totally useless lesstif back into their distros, and carry on as if nothing is wrong. The only snag is nothing requiring a motif environment actually works properly.
Steve, For those of us that never had much use for Motif in the first place, could you give just a very brief overview of it's history, what it was supposed to become and what it is now? Is Motif (open or closed) now superseded by newer and more robust apps?? You seem to know a good deal of it and your views may be better than some webpage's or a blog.
Thanks in advance, Ric
On 2008-03-22, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
For those of us that never had much use for Motif in the first place, could you give just a very brief overview of it's history, what it was supposed to become and what it is now? Is Motif (open or closed) now superseded by newer and more robust apps?? You seem to know a good deal of it and your views may be better than some webpage's or a blog.
Read on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motif_%28widget_toolkit%29
supposed to become and what it is now? Is Motif (open or closed) now superseded by newer and more robust apps?? You seem to know a good deal of it and your views may be better than some webpage's or a blog.
Motif was basically dead by the time it was opened. It has very limited support for accessibility and complex languages as well as an Xt style programming interface which isn't exactly developer friendly.
Alan
Steve Underwood wrote:
Installing lesstif is a waste of time. Its a useless piece of junk, and people like RedHat and other distribution vendors are to blame. It was moving alone nicely until they decided OpenMotif was good. By the time they decided it was bad people had given up working on lesstif. Maybe it was all a big plot to kill off the motif world completely.
Motif had plenty of time to make itself available before anyone tried to clone it. You don't need to blame anyone else for killing it off.
Whatever the cause, it now means using Grace, Nedit and a few other favourites is a right PITA with Fedora.
Yes, if Motif had been open, or lesstif had worked from the start, a lot of things could be about a decade ahead of where they are now...
Well, that seems like a totally meaningless response, lacking any connection with history.
Do you have a timeline for the events? I thought that for many years after the CDE standardization work and the Motif implementation of it the code was restricted - to the point that lesstif was unable to legally duplicate its functionality and alternatives were written from scratch.
OpenMotif was made open.
But not by any of the open source definitions of the word.
The distros, like RedHat went for it and dropped support for lesstif, killing its development.
How many years of development did it have before that without being completed? I think it was dead long before RedHat had any affect on it.
Later, they decided OpenMotif wasn't open enough after all - seems like a case of a lack of due diligence - but by this time lesstif had withered and died.
Even before...
Now they have put a totally useless lesstif back into their distros, and carry on as if nothing is wrong. The only snag is nothing requiring a motif environment actually works properly.
And they never did - which is why there are only a few packages that require it. Unfortunately they are the ones that cared about following standards at the time...
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:45:37 -0500 Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
Steve Underwood wrote:
Installing lesstif is a waste of time. Its a useless piece of junk, and people like RedHat and other distribution vendors are to blame. It was moving alone nicely until they decided OpenMotif was good. By the time they decided it was bad people had given up working on lesstif. Maybe it was all a big plot to kill off the motif world completely.
Motif had plenty of time to make itself available before anyone tried to clone it. You don't need to blame anyone else for killing it off.
...
And they never did - which is why there are only a few packages that require it. Unfortunately they are the ones that cared about following standards at the time...
Rant from the old grumpy man, starting in this bussines at 1974 on the CDC Cyber72. Now i'm using mxterm, xterm with the motif look, compiled with the lesstif. And i dislike all the other (gnome,kde,qt,gtk,a,whatever...)terminals. Maybe i'm orthodox, but i like motif and CDE. And i like times, when everything can be defined thru .Xdefaults, .app-defaults and -xrm. Now i'm using fvwm and fighting with the ~/.gtkrc*, ~/.gconf*, ~/.kde*, ~/.qt, themes to get appearance which i wish. Not yet :-(
Regards, Bob