A few corrections for the portion about the workstation firewall.
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Fedora Workstation firewall discussion
This week’s big devel-list thread concerned the default firewall
settings in Fedora Workstation. The Fedora Workstation Working Group was
not happy with the user experience offered by blocking incoming “high
ports” by default. Out of the box, nothing is listening on these, but if
one installs software that expects to,
"If one tries to use the already installed software"
it won’t work, and because we
don’t have a good way yet to tie *attempts* to access ports to listening
applications and communicate that to the user, the resulting failure is
Even if we could do that in a secure way, that's not the way we'd want to
On the other hand, if you install something and it starts listening
you didn’t know that,
If you install something from Fedora and it does that, then it's a bug in the
that’s *also* invisible. So, pretty much everyone
recognizes this as a not ideal situation. Everyone involved in the
discussion also is concerned with enhancing user security in practice —
the question is just how to best get there from an imperfect state.
Originally, the Workstation WG asked to disable the firewall entirely.
That wasn't the Workstation WG, it was earlier, for the Desktop spin.
FESCo asked instead that it be left available, possibly with a
less-restrictive out-of-the-box configuration — the path taken for F21.
If you’re not running Workstation, this doesn’t affect you. If you are,
and would like a different configuration, run the firewall configuration
tool and either edit the Fedora Workstation zone or change the default
zone. (There’s a long list of options, but “public” is a
You can also change the per-network zone. Unfortunately currently wired
networks are all considered as one per interface, but wireless networks
are distinguished individually. This can be done in a number of ways,
but the easiest is to run the network configuration tool (in GNOME
control center — press the overview key and start typing “network”),
select the wifi network in question, press the little gear icon next to
it, go down to Identity (?!), and choose the appropriate firewall zone.
(Again, there’s a long list — go back to the firewall config tool to see
exactly what they all do.)
Thank you for pointing out the main reason why the zones can't ever be
a user-facing concept ;)
This is clearly, not the most friendly approach; it’s my
that the desktop designers, network tools team, and security team are
going to work together to develop a better overall solution for Fedora
22 and beyond.
This was supposed to be the "better overall solution" with the next steps
coming from application sandboxing.
Overall, the mailing list thread stayed relatively positive and
constructive and avoided personal attacks, although there were some
accusations of bad faith actions which do not seem warranted based on
the actual history.
That could translate as "It wasn't as bad as a systemd flamewar".
not a very high standard to set though.