On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 04:44:44AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Josh Boyer wrote:
> As I said in the meeting, the underlying motivation of your proposal
> appeared to me to be seated in more of a "promote KDE" manner than an
> actual "call the Gnome spin Gnome." In that sense, changing the name of a
> spin will do nothing to further promote KDE.
Of course it's not the only thing which needs fixing, but it's a pretty
obvious one and certainly the least controversial one (but the reactions
this simple unoffensive proposal for a mere name clarification has gotten
don't leave me very hopeful for the other changes I'd like to see :-( ).
Perhaps that is the problem with your proposal. It's putting the cart before
the horse. If you have a list like the one below off the top of your head on
what needs to get fixed to further promote KDE, then perhaps making a change
that clarifies Gnome vs. KDE and creates two equal primary spins is premature.
Other things which need changing to make KDE equally supported include:
* making it easier to select KDE on the DVD installer (by a radiobutton
before the package selection, which should also influence the package
selection's behavior, see below),
* fixing comps so task-oriented groups like "Sound&Video" aren't biased
towards GNOME apps (this most likely requires extending the comps format or
having separate comps-kde and comps-gnome - I think extending the format to
handle conditionals based on the desktop selected via radiobutton would be
the more maintainable solution in the long run): where I'd like to get to
is that if I select Sound&Video after having selected GNOME as the desktop,
I get Totem and Rhythmbox by default and kdemultimedia, Amarok and Kaffeine
as optional checkboxes, but if I select Sound&Video after having selected
KDE as the desktop, I get kdemultimedia, Amarok and Kaffeine by default and
Totem and Rhythmbox as optional checkboxes,
* no longer hiding the KDE live image behind an extra click on the webpage,
* making sure KDE is taken into account when replacing core shared desktop
components like PolicyKit with incompatible versions (PolicyKit is just an
example here; thankfully, jreznik is taking care of PolicyKit 1 integration
with KDE)
and maybe some other things too.
But even getting only parts of this stuff changed would make things better
than the status quo. Fixing the GNOME-based spin's name to actually
contain "GNOME" would be one such small, but significant improvement over
the status quo and send an important message.
Sending a message is fine. Sending a message before that message is completely
true seems to be remiss.
Just a thought.
josh