On 10. 4. 2015 at 17:50:08, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 10.04.2015 um 17:48 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz:
> W dniu 10.04.2015 o 16:29, Reindl Harald pisze:
>> well, that so called "crap" was in the past helpful to find out
*which*
>> package pulls a cross-dep-chain while in the past 2 years yum also more
>> and more crippeled it's output
>>
>> it was also helpful in case deps where broken to find out the origin
>> package responsible for and not only once i decided to remove a specific
>> package because of that informations
>>
>> in short: that "crap" was helpful to reach to a minimum stripped down
>> systems over the years
>
> I have no doubt that it was useful in some cases. But probably 90+% of
> yum users did not cared about it at all
but did they got hurted?
unlikely
i really hate that attitude calling remove visible informations
"usability" while systemd on the other hand spits the logs full of
irrelevant informations all day long by burry the relevant ones
We are talking about information that is irrelevant in 90+% of yum runs
(allegedly, I wouldn't dare estimating this number myself). Hiding such
information by default while making it available to people who really care
about it sounds like a nice usability feature to me.
Now, I admit that the second half is limping a bit. The information is
available but it's not as easily accessible as you want it to be. If you want
to help us, I invite you to write a plugin that will show the information you
seek in a way you see fit.
Thanks
Jan