On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)j2solutions.net> wrote:
"Thomas Janssen" <thomasj(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)redhat.com> wrote:
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>> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>> Jesse Keating wrote:
>>>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something
different
>>>> than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, and those that are
>>>> left are going to say they like the deluge of updates.
>>>
>>> You say that as if it were a negative thing.
>>
>> To me it is. It's you and people like you that want to shove a ton of
>> updates down the throats of our stable release users (including changes
>> that alter behavior and sonames etc...) that have ruined the Fedora I
>> helped to build. I want my Fedora back, I don't want what you're
creating.
>
>Interesting here is that one can say "Leave the project if you don't
>like what we do" (already done in the direction of Kevin Kofler) but
>the offer doesn't count for everybody.
>Not saying you should leave, for sure not. I think you're valuable for
>the project. The same counts by the way as well for Kevin and everyone
>else not sharing your opinion.
>
>>> It's actually very positive, it
>>> means we have found our niche and set some very specific expectations in our
>>> user base! We should stick to that and not suddenly turn around half-turn.
>>
>> We've found our niche, but chasing away our previous niche (and having
>> less users show up in our tracking mechanism for it)
>
>What previous niche?
We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers and desktops and even
laptops. We had a predictable schedule.
We had new technology thanks to rawhide. We had timely bugfixes that didn't sacrifice
stability,
as in things didn't change out from under you on a stable release. We had an
ecosystem of third parties
that would build up stacks of newer things should a user be adventurous. We had a fresh
release quite
often that could be relied upon for at least a year. We had a culture of not just
throwing crap over the wall at our users, which included ourselves. We had accountability
when things did go awry and a honest
effort to disrupt the users of our stable releases as little as possible. We also
we're a very free distro avoiding nonfree stuff, and we worked well with
upstreams. We we're easy to configure, easy to update, easy to install whether a
single system or 400 systems in a lab. We we're easy to administrate in the same
scenarios.
This was fairly unique and what drew a lot of people to the project.
Is this still unique?
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