On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:47 AM Panu Matilainen <pmatilai(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 3/31/20 8:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I understand there are practical resource considerations and so on
> here, but I still think this merits more high level and serious
> consideration. At the very least, if we have somehow reached a point
> where Red Hat is no longer willing to provide sufficient resources to
> run Fedora on the lines the Fedora community wants it to be run, we
> need to recognize that this is a significant problem that needs to be
> properly aired and discussed and resolved. In this context I'll note
> that the apparent significant headcount reduction of RH people working
> on Fedora infrastructure over the last few years is in itself a
> worrying trend, particularly if you consider it while reading Clement's
> email.
This.
As a user, I wont be shedding a single tear for GitLab over Pagure, BUT.
There's something very wrong with the picture here, and this forge
business seems more like an abscess that finally burst rather than the
disease itself. I really do not envy being in CPE's pants in this situation.
If the problem is lack of funding for Fedora infastructure, shouldn't we
talking about that (finding additional sponsors or something) instead of
which limb to saw off to ensure enough blood for the remaining organs?
I agree, and wonder about this too. But such a conversation
immediately runs into the delicate and awkward realm of corporate
politics: would Red Hat even allow other sponsors, and what are the
parameters by which this could even happen - it's not clear to me at
all.
Also, there are different kinds of resources: funding, people,
hardware (virtual/physical). While the project always has resource
shortages to varying degrees, I'm not certain of any metric to
establish a low watermark; know whether it's being approached before
there's a problem; or a formal mechanism of refreshing teams to avoid
burn out and hitting a resource low watermark.
Another example of this is:
#275 Websites team needs revitalizing
https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/275
from which I've just realized two things: (a) CPE is Fedora
Infrastructure team; (b) due to the lack of an active websites team,
this responsibility is, for now, on CPE.
--
Chris Murphy