On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 19:52 -0400, Jason Tang wrote:
Dave Airlie wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 17:23 -0400, Jason Tang wrote:
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>> The only problem being that this release is incompatible with current
>> nvidia drivers. Granted, I'm aware of the Fedora position regarding
>> non-OSS, but this Xorg issue has completely destroyed many user's
>> confidence in the dev team.
>>
>> Most users could care less about supposed 'valid' reasons - that fact
>> is: No 3D acceleration == No F9 adoption (or worse, an eroding user
>> base). Lets not play this game with F10.
>>
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> Let me just state, this is not going to happen ever. If you want hold
> your desktop ransom to a large binary piece of software, I'm sure
> Microsoft will sell you an OS more suited to your needs.
>
> Fedora is about having an open distro and we are *never* going to expend
> time or effort to support a binary driver. I say this as the
> co-maintainer of X.org for Fedora. Fedora is not ajax's or mine primary
> reason for being paid, we really wish it was. However even if Fedora was
> the only thing I was scheduled to work on, I would still not expend even
> one small shred of effort to support a binary driver running on this OS.
> You buy hardware with closed source you now get to keep both bits.
>
> unsure if I can clarify this any better.
>
> Dave.
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Believe it or not - I do agree with Fedora's OSS principles. However,
as the professional I know you are (despite the tone of your reply), I'm
sure you can understand the importance of hardware compatibility.
Nobody is saying you need to bend over backwards for nvidia, but
actively working to break support probably isn't the right approach
either. Surely you can find a way to collaborate with X.org, Nvidia and
the Fedora team in a way that promotes progress, rather than stifle it.
We already know a way, its called open source development. They release
the source to their driver, and I make it work with the release of X.org
I personally ported nearly all the X.org driver in Fedora to the new
API/ABI (~15 drivers). This was close too a full week of work, that
really I could've not done and just let old hardware die. However I took
the time to do this because the source was available. If I had the
source to the nvidia driver I would have ported it as well. So I've done
the professional bit and fixed as much as I can, if *your* hw vendor
doesn't support *your* OS of choice then I think the problem is between
you and your hw vendor.
Dave.