Daniel Roesen <dr(a)cluenet.de> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:36:50AM -0400, Dimi Paun wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 08:11 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> > Debating the worth of any particular study,
> > here.. is pointless..
>
> Very smart. It seems that _anything_ is pointless to discuss here.
Indeed. It's still all "what Red Hat likes", and screw
the rest. At
least that's my (oh, not really only mine) impression.
Can't speak for the rest here, please.
Just look at what random stuff is thrown into core by Red Hat folks,
whereas outsiders with really useful additions are sent off to Extras.
Could you be more specific? Just whining about "junk in core" and "useful
stuff left out" doesn't help a bit.
[...]
The "we follow upstream!" mantra is also only followed when
it's
fitting.
Again, please be specific.
If the Fedora heads like a change, it gets done (see all
the
custom patches that regularily pop up in packages),
Fixing real bugs and/or patches that are pending upstream, as far as I have
seen up to here.
and if outsiders
request changes that Fedora heads don't like, we'll hear a "shut up and
go upstream, we follow upstream, basta".
If you don't like it, fork ahead. Nobody is forcing you to use vanilla
Fedora, is there?
[...]
The terminal launch option now disappearing completely out of
immediate
reach is a major blow, once again. I really wonder where this is
heading. The last really usable desktop for me was GNOME/Enlightenment
in RH 6.2 (and 7.x, but I had that only at work place and dunno how much
effort the IT folks there had put into making it work). Later on, things
got dumbed down more and more. Now we are at metacity (I call it
mediocracy) and people still keep on removing features etc. I wonder
when will install twm or fvwm again as "powerful, feature-rich"
replacement for the hello_world that metacity is. Sigh.
You can try KDE, or XFCE. Or go for outsider window managers.
[...]
Don't get me wrong. I cannot complain - it all comes for free, I
greatly
respect that and am grateful for the chance to run an OS which mostly
fits my needs for zarro bucks and the source comes with it too so I can
fiddle with it if I REALLY need to. It just sucks to always here the
fairy tale of the "community" distro Fedora is supposed to be, and all
I can see is quite the contrary (except of course if it comes to offload
the boring stuff like maintaining older releases [Fedora Legacy],
betatesting new random stuff put into Core etc.).
Sorry, I don't understand you at all. You'd have to be much more specific
and constructive with your criticism, or you will just be *PLONK*ed left
and right.
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