On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 04:57:26PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> If, instead, every package at the base level would take
modularity as a
> baseline principle, we'd be in a lot better and more flexible state.
> > Does it have such heavy otherwise unneeded deps?
> In some cases, yes. In others, it's deps that don't seem individually
> heavy but they add up.
I am not sure I can read this any other way than "Nope, I won't be
specific with numbers and stuff, I just have the 'feeling' that
systemd is large and has huge deps".
The minimal image as a whole is large, and systemd is a large part of
it. There are plenty of specifics. systemd-delta brings in diffutils,
at over 1MB for a very specific niche use. systemd-localed brings in
libxkbcommon + xkeyboard-config at... what, more than 6MB? I think it's
very safe to say that not all containerized applications need to be
able to select a keyboard layout.
My point isn't that there _aren't_ specifics. It's that I don't think
it's productive to get in a quagmire arguing about each and every one,
every time. Let's instead just have "keep overhead down" as a
_baseline_ aim.
Honestly, I don't get the antagonism here. Systemd itself is basically
modular, and we have good tools for packaging things up in a modular
way already. Let's use them, so that Fedora is a good base for people
wanting to build application containers.
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Matthew Miller
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Fedora Project Leader