On Sunday, 28 February 2010 at 11:44, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 01:23:21AM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann'
Mierzejewski wrote:
> Speaking as someone who is still on F11, I want the latest software
> as long as it doesn't break anything, because most often there are
> new useful features in it.
I think one of the problems is precisely that "new features as long as
it doesn't break anything" is practically impossible to ensure today.
On the contrary, it works quite well in practice.
When it happens, it's mostly by luck as there is obviously not
enough
testing happening between the moment when the upstream package is
released and the moment when we push it into Fedora stable.
I don't think letting packages rot in -testing longer will solve anything.
Those who have time to track -updates or who care about some specific
packages will pull them from koji or test them from -testing. What might
help is to advertise -updates more and encourage users to enable it and
give feedback.
To maximize testing for a given package, it would require at least
e.g.
a "Rawhide to Branched" cycle, or/and more time in updates-testing to
give people an opportunity to test the package more and/or some
$SOLUTION.
Among my friends and users, nobody uses even updates-testing. They don't
have the time for such things. So from my point of view, more delay before
a package hits stable won't change anything for better.
What would you propose to to maximize the chances of ensuring your
"new
features as long as it doesn't break anything" scenario?
I think it is, in general, safe to assume that maintainers know best when
to push updates, as long as there are clear guidelines. I object to making
life harder for all maintainers to punish a select few who make mistakes
or just don't know any better.
So - leave things as they are, but educate the errant maintainers.
Maybe mentors or other provenpackagers could step up here?
Regards,
R.
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