On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)mattdm.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 04:09:32PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> the problem i see is when things like MTA and rsyslog are
> removed from the defualt install many pakcgers will less
> care about them in the future nor test how well it works
That's a separate issue. MTAs and syslog are going to be needed for many
very important use cases for years to come. That doesn't mean we need to
install them by default.
It's not really separate.
We don't have any canonical developer documentation that says what is
or isn't a part of the OS, and "good" Linux applications are expected
to use; we only have traditions, word of mouth, and de-facto
standards. In this situation, what is or isn't enabled by default and
shipped by default matters more than saying "are going to be needed
for years to come" - the actions speak louder than the words.
Think of these debates as attempts to, after all the years, agree on
and write down what the traditions and de-facto standards actually
are.
Mirek