On 27 April 2016 at 10:00, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Stephen John Smoogen
<smooge(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 April 2016 at 22:00, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>> OK folks, it's Bad Decision Time.
>>
>
>> I realize this is inopportune, but it's best if we figure out *immediately*
how
>> we're going to handle this.
>>
>>
>> Options:
>> 1) Downgrade back to 4.x, downgrading or dropping any modules in the collection
>> that don't run on that LTS version.
>> 2) Stick with 5.x for the life of Fedora 24, handling security backports
>> ourselves once it hits EOL this summer.
>> 3) Upgrade to 6.x, fixing or dropping any modules in the collection that
don't
>> run on it yet.
>>
>
> 4) Drop NodeJS from Fedora 24 altogether. If there isn't one already,
> have a nodejs team built of people who are interested in it and are
> committed to doing things like side builds and similar requirements.
That would be a pretty big regression considering it has been in
Fedora for a while. The user experience of needing nodejs and then
having to hunt for it after upgrade seems poor.
> They can then have a plan on what nodejs work should be done and what
> plans they will align on. This would be similar to the perl/python and
> other groups.. and makes sure that when someone bows out it doesn't
> kill the entire stack until someone comes in to build the work again.
I don't disagree having a nodejs team would be a good idea, but I
think you're being a bit unfair to Stephen. He hasn't bowed out yet
and even a well intentioned nodejs team could have made the same
choices that led to this situation.
I apologize that I came out as being unfair to Stephen. I was hoping
that I was being even more fair as I don't see this as his fault or
problem to have solve by himself.
I was seeing a lot of people with solutions that required him to do
even more work and larger herculean tasks without anyone stepping up
with a "Hey what can I do to help you here" but a lot of "How about
you do this.."
To me Fedora should always be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Soup
and not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Red_Hen . The
conversation to me was tending towards the latter and I wanted to make
sure Stephen had the freedom to say "ok that is enough." without
feeling like he has to burn himself out to 'save' a release.
--
Stephen J Smoogen.