On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:34:20AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
One thing I forgot to mention in my original reply to jwb (it was
getting long) is that there's a conundrum that applies quite
specifically to Mac support, and it's this: there are quite a lot of
people who want to run Fedora on Macs (seemingly, at least) but very
few in a position to test installs for new releases.
I think this is a big problem.
If we have a "class" of users that have special needs (aka: very
specific hardware/software/bios/...) and they never tests things, I see
this more as their problem than other people problem.
The reason is pretty simple: very few people have a disposable Mac.
About 90% of the time, the Mac people want to install Fedora on is
their personal laptop. So of course they're not willing to test
installing some random pre-Beta nightly snapshot and tell us if
everything explodes. We also can't i) easily or ii) legally (AFAIK)
install OS X into a VM on non-Apple hardware for testing.
I don't see why people should not have a disposable Macs but is "normal"
to have a disposable PC.
Also, AFAIK, Mac users tend to substitute their machines more often than
PC users (at least statistically speaking), so many of them should have
a 2-3 years old machine laying around.
We could, I suppose, try to get a few Mac users to look into testing
VMs on their Macs. But beyond that we need people with 'burner' Macs,
and there aren't very many of them. We (Fedora QA) have just one old
I think VM testing on Mac would not produce any more insights than VM
testing on PC.
Fabio Alessandro Locati
Red Hat - Senior Consultant
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