On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> > On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +0000,
> > >
> > > Terry Barnaby<terry1(a)beam.ltd.uk> wrote:
> > >> I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug
> > >> reports and even fix them if I can. But, the current short term
> > >> release schedule, and no focus on testing and fixing graphics
> > >> issues, does not inspire me with confidence that a stable usable
> > >> release will emerge. This makes it difficult
> > >> for me to justify the effort. Convince me :)
> > >
> > > I follow the radeon updates pretty closely and my 9200 finally
> > > starting working with 3d again a few weeks before the release. Airlie
> > > has continued development in the f12 branch and there have been
> > > several updates over the last couple of weeks.
> > > If you have just tried F11 and not F12 you should consider doing so.
> > > For r5xx and below, grab a live image and install one of the smaller
> > > 3d apps and try it out. For r6xx and above you'll want to install
> > > mesa-experimental-drivers and update xorg-x11-drv-ati. This won't get
> > > you the kernel updates related to graphics since the release, but
> > > should give you a good look at where things are at so that you can
> > > decide if you want install F12 on the machine.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have tried out F12 on 4 different systems, 2 with different ATI
> > graphics and two with different Intel based boards. Only the last one
> > appears to be able to run Blender. You mention "Airlie has continued
> > development in the f12 branch". If that means there are people working
> > on the bugs and producing new driver updates for F12 (DRM,MESA,X11),
> > especially for ATI then I certainly will give it some time.
>
> So is blender working the only thing you consider as working?
>
> The current focus is on making graphics work for as many ppl as possible
> first, then 3D is always further down the list, this is just common
> sense.
>
> Current priorities are:
> 0) you aren't running a binary driver - if so no priority for you.
>
> a) Can you see stuff on the screen at install/boot?
> b) can you run GNOME desktop in reasonably useful manner? i.e. firefox
> runs okay, no glitches, major slowdowns etc.
> c) can you suspend/resume?
> d) can you run compiz/gnome-shell?
> e) can you run non-Gnome desktops at reasonable speed? (yes we have to
> prioritise gnome over KDE, it sucks but thats life)
> f) does misc 3D application run?
I should follow up just as far as the Red Hat X team goes a-d are what
we are paid to do, e/f and nice to haves, so really if some community
effort was to be brought up around this, e/f are where it would make
sense to focus it.
Hi,
how could we (we = KDE SIG people) help with e) - serious question - not KDE
over Gnome flame or blaming ;-) - to make it better?
From Red Hat's POV, KDE should be at least partially supported by
X team as
it's official and supported component of RHEL - but this goes
together with
Fedora.
Thanks for your work on freeing me from fglrx!
Jaroslav
Having some sort of repos where we can publish a new
kernel/libdrm/mesa/intel/ati/nouveau package in one block for
people to test and find regression that isn't rawhide and isn't
updates-testing (since it would be abusing that) would be an
excellent place to start.
Dave.
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