On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:20 PM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:10 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:03 AM Aleksandra Fedorova <alpha(a)bookwar.info>
wrote:
> >
> > Again, no one forces you or any other packager to use modularity
> > tooling right now.
> >
>
> This is not true. Once content is modularized, things that were able
> to depend on it in the normal form can no longer do so unless they too
> modularize.
This is true *currently*, but as I've been saying for months now: this
is only true because we've not been allowed to land Ursa Prime (and,
before that, Ursa Major) to allow us to have modules in the buildroot.
That *finally* started to change with FESCo's decision yesterday. They
gave us permission to put two reasonably-contained modules into the
available buildroot to prove it out.
I am watching that experiment carefully. I'm doing something similar
for my own work as an experiment into pulling in modular content into
my build environments...
> This is an important consequence that I think people
> championing for modularity keep forgetting. Everything from how the
> build system works to how DNF implements modularity makes it so that
> modular and non-modular content do not have an even footing. If they
> did, I think we'd have less problems.
I think "even footing" is a poor choice of words, because it implies
that one is "higher" than the other. It's true that things are built
and managed *differently*. We've been trying to close that gap as much
as possible.
Technically, one is "higher" than the other. Modular content
automatically disables the non-modular counterparts. You don't have
the ability to select to install and follow content fron the
non-modular source instead of the modular one, especially with
fedora-modular enabled by default.
If there is a path for me to freely switch back and forth between
equivalent modular and non-modular variants, I'd definitely be
happier, personally.
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真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth!