On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
>> Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko:
>>> On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>>>> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2
days.
>>>>>> In fact since "yum update" installed
kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686,
>>>>>> though that is probably a coincidence.
>>>>> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it
is a
>>>>> coincidence?
>>>> I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that.
>>>> I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way.
>>>
>>> When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3
kernels?
>>
>> and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as
default
>
> Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19?
no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines
You seem to care enough to write mails about it.
> If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is
shown
> people will not automatically know what the options there mean.
no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand
hide it does not make this better
Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything.
> So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu
as(by)
> default" now?
no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a
already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they
never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel
by hide it
You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your computer.
I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to
disagree instead of having a useless "discussion".
if the affected machine is their only one they also have
no chance to ask for help and are lost
P.S.:
do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension
is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension!
OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed
until they are resolved.
Giving negative karma here is common practice.