On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Lennart Poettering
<mzerqung(a)0pointer.de> wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 20:22, Peter Robinson (pbrobinson(a)gmail.com) wrote:
> > Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a
> > tool for professionals. It shouldn't be too hard to expect from them to
> > remember something as simple as maybe "press shift or Space or Esc"
to
> > get the boot menu or more verbose output. I mean, honestly, that's
> > probably what most people would try automatically anyway if they want
> > feedback from the machine.
> >
> > We nowadays live in times where BIOS POST takes 500ms, the kernel one
> > second and userspace another one [1], with times like that you really
> > don't need any bootsplash or anything. With Windows 8 the laptop BIOSes
> > finally got fixed to be silent and quick during POST. Now its our turn
> > to achieve the same for the boot loader and the OS, both of which we
> > control.
>
> Clearly you haven't used any modern EFI server systems where I've used
> systems which take 15 minutes to post (and I can kickstart an entire
> RHEL-6 install less than 7 mins) and are generally longer than their
> predecessors
Clearly, you haven't used any modern EFI laptop system where POST is
500ms.
Yep, I have one of those as well.
So, we both now pointed out that each other is terribly naive, what
did
us bring that?
Are you really arguing that because your EFI system is slow we should
make it even slower by adding pointless 15s delays into the boot
everywhere?
Nope, I never said it's not something worth doing, I believe as
someone who runs single Fedora systems pretty much everywhere it's
worthwhile. It's also something that on my 500ms EFI booting laptop
would rarely impact me as I reboot it about once a month and use
suspend/resume most of the time too.
Peter