On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 12:57 -0500, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 08:04, Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 20:36 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 8:32 PM Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com>
>
> > No. This is one of those many myths about the "Unix FHS". And it
> > doesn't even matter much these days anyway, since most newer
> > administrative tools don't install in sbin anyway.
> >
>
> name it one , I'm not aware.
>
> Fedora old school (or just me I don't know ) don't use sudo , sudo
> is a
> bad idea that came from Ubuntu and turn computer much more insecure
> ,
>
sudo has been part of the Red Hat/Fedora family since Red Hat Linux
7.0
https://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.0/en/os/i386/R
edHat/RPMS/ (2000-09) and had been in powertools since at least
5.2 https://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/5.2/en/power
tools/i386/ (1998-11). Both of those dates vastly predate Ubuntu.
While they had been part of Debian before that they were included in
Powertools in 5 due to requests for it being used on Unix systems
which were being replaced with Red Hat Linux. [sudo was already a
preferred tool in various university and corporate environments
because it did allow for all kinds of policy decisions which were
easily updated versus the standard at that time to make a chroot
wrapper and control via group permissions. Many times these wrappers
were the most insecure thing on a system. ]
I don't use sudo or my regular user is not in sudo users , sudo is
needed for others things like wheel group and always have been present
in Linux
I mean using sudo and can't login as root or root don't have password ,
like in Ubuntu model and if you are admin you do sudo for everything .
> since if a regular user is compromised the access to all
computer
> is
> much more easier .
>
https://xkcd.com/1200/
This xkcd is not new for me and made me think, I already stated my
opinion don't want lose much time on this subject
> And PATH at root user have sbin and PATH of regular user should
not
> have /sbin/
>
> but checking we got this pearl in /etc/profile
>
>
> if [ "$EUID" = "0" ]; then
> pathmunge /usr/sbin
> pathmunge /usr/local/sbin
> else
> pathmunge /usr/local/sbin after
> pathmunge /usr/sbin after
> fi
>
>
There have been holy wars over /usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin for as
long as I have been a systems administrator in the 1980's. Different
schools of thought have their world view of when/who/how people
should have access to it and it would be even split into which Unix
you used because of what was needed to act per system.
In the end, this choice tends to be deeply personal where each person
assumes the world should follow their model and then get
increasingly angry that is not the case. I have seen it create
complete forks of an operating system due to needing to compile in
such paths in various tools.
>
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