On 2 January 2015 at 10:02, Alec Leamas <leamas.alec(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a some common ground, indeed. Seems that we agree on that
installing
CLI stuff is something that should be handled in a developer-oriented
workstation
If you're using gcc, you're using a terminal. We supply two command
line package managers (dnf, yum) which allow you to do this. If you're
using eclipse, then we already allow applications to install addons
for different use-cases (which can have deps like gcc),
Now, in my mind installing/updating non-GUI software is not a
corner-case
for a developer - it's probably the most common installation done even when
working with GUI tools.
Citation needed.
From this perspective, I guess that if gnome-software (g-s) upstream
defines
installing CLI stuff as something which should be handled by "something
else", I cannot really see the point handling updates in g-s.
I don't see how you've got to this logic at all.
In the end, isn't this one hand about if gnome-software's
upstream is
willing to undertake the work to adapt also to the developer usecase?
No! GNOME Software is designed as an application installer for GNOME.
We're using gnome-software in Fedora workstation, but that doesn't
mean that the upstream application has to align with the workstation
PRD 100% or else it's "not suitable".
Because as of now, gnome-software just doesn't fit the
workstation bill
I think you're misunderstanding what most developers do. We probably
spend about 10 minutes installing development packages (on the command
line) when setting up a new OS instance. I then spend a year or so of
installing or removing the odd application, and a few minutes every
week applying updates. I don't think GNOME Software is hugely useful
for installing low-level developer packages, which is fine. It doesn't
mean it's not a useful application.
Rather than talking in riddles in your emails, could you also please
suggest what needs to be done? Are you in favour of ripping out
gnome-software and installing yumex in the workstation image? Do you
have an alternate application proposal with design mockups?
Richard