On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 15:21 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 21:43 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> No. PK groups are made up _from_ the comps groups. There are just an
> order of magnitude less options, and it's a flat list rather than a
> tree. Comps supports optional, mandatory, suggested and the sort of
> power user stuff that I just don't want to support in PackageKit.
Well that's just too damn bad. You're making things /worse/ by having a
different view of things post-install than you had during install. This
was one of the /best/ things about pirut is that you got the same
familiar UI, whether that UI was good or bad didn't matter, it was
the /same/ and /consistent/.
>
> For me to "clean up the groups" would be to rip out all optional groups,
> rip out most of the obscure categories and add lots of packages with
> lots of extra deps. I'm sure that's not what you want me to do with
> comps at all.
Well it'd certainly be a starting point for a conversation, which is
much better than decisions being made about our distribution and what
our users see in our distribution discussed and made somewhere that
was /not/ our distribution. Hurting, not helping.
> If you want to actually help with this stuff, can I suggest you join the
> PackageKit mailing list and discuss there? Fedora isn't the only
> consumer of PackageKit, and I'm keen on working upstream on ideas and
> policies with other distros rather than just defending decisions made
> upstream that affect fedora.
If I'd known that upstream was actively looking to destroy our package
classifications, rather than actually work with us to clean them up a
bit maybe I would have joined the conversation. A heads up might have
been in order. I fear that any conversation now will just be too little
too late.
> And just correcting you: this wasn't _my_ decision, this was the result
> of working with lots of other distros. Sarcasm doesn't help anybody.
Neither does letting other distributions make decisions about ours.
Thanks Jesse, for making it clear that you are more interested in
confrontation than a constructive discussion impossible.
People who are interested in improving PackageKit should probably take
the discussion to the packagekit list (packagekit(a)lists.freedesktop.org)