On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 17 November 2016 at 09:08, Bastien Nocera
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 11 November 2016 at 03:20, Andreas Tunek <andreas.tunek(a)gmail.com>
>> > As a mac owner (although one that is not very well supported by
>> > Linux*) I really appreciate the fact that Fedora works. And saying you
>> > do not want to support that hardware anymore just because you found a
>> > regression/bug is kind of lame.
>> You are reading that wrong. The problem isn't that we don't want to
>> support Mac hardware, we are finding we can't support Mac hardware to
>> the level that it blocks a release because there are not enough people
>> testing the hardware in a fashion that finds blocker level bugs.
>> This is where you and other Mac users can and MUST help out. Fedora is
>> a stone soup. Unless people bring some amount of work to the pot, what
>> they get out is water flavoured gravel. You can bring the spice and
>> aroma of a Mac hardware.. but if you don't then it doesn't mean that
>> we can wait until someone else does.
> That's an unfair characterisation of the problem. There are certainly plenty
> of people testing out Fedora on Macs. I'm guessing most of those folks have
> a single machine that they use Fedora on. You're asking them to do continuous
> testing of the installer, which the installer team is much more likely to be
> able to do.
No I am not asking for continuous testing. I am asking that if people
really care about the hardware support they get in the muck and do
just a little of the work in an organized fashion. Put together a Mac
SIG that focuses on getting the best experience on the hardware. Send
some QA people newer Macs. Otherwise how do people know that it is
really important to you versus "I have 4 minutes on the internet so I
can send a complaint email" important. Because at this point that is
all this looks like.
The reality is that QA is thinly spread in general. Making this
blocker "about Macs" is a misleading conclusion, there's a grain of
truth in it, but it's mistaking the forest for the trees. Next time
there's a release blocking bug, it'll just be something else.