On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:11 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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What I'm more concerned about is that if you eliminate Fedora
from any
meaningful server based development, you strip all the opportunities
for people to iterate on server-oriented changes before they go into
rhel-rawhide and push into CentOS Stream. You also essentially kneecap
any motivation for other things related to server environments to
iterate faster (such as language stacks that are heavily used for web
service software) because you've eliminated the major ability for that
to ship to users and contributors. It also further accelerates a trend
that I think we need to reverse where people consider Fedora
unacceptable for server roles. If anything, Fedora is a lot better at
being used for servers then it was five years ago. I've personally
*stopped* using CentOS for servers because Fedora has gotten so good
at it. Upgrades are a breeze and stuff generally works. When it
doesn't, it's fixable! That last part is key. With CentOS, it's not,
because it has to bounce back into Red Hat first. And Red Hat doesn't
really care about issues discovered by CentOS users, and there are no
"CentOS developers".
So, what this long email is actually saying is that I think it's an
interesting idea to bring the two projects together, but eliminating
aspects of Fedora in favor of CentOS is premature because CentOS has
not actually developed as a community project. Maybe it's worth
revisiting after six years of actual community development?
I don't think Matthew suggested that we'd stop development of server
technologies in Fedora. I think he was saying that we'd drop the
"Fedora Server Edition" as a user-targeted deliverable. This is an
important distinction. We'd instead focus on server technology
development atop the container and Fedora Cloud Edition use-cases.