On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 04:09:39PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 08:25 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:48:20AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
> >On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 13:43 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >> SSIA.
> >>
> >
> >Since it's non-blocking, I'd like to only tag things that fix stuff on
> >the F11Alpha tracker. I need to cull that a bit, but basically critical
> >to getting Fedora installed, and updated after that. I'm only really
> >aware of one big one which is the inability for nash to mount by uuid or
> >label (there is a race here somewhere) that causes many machines to not
> >mount / upon reboot.
>
> Ok, so please don't take the following as whining, because I'm not.
>
> The non-blocking freezes are pretty hard for not-day-jobbers to help
> with from a rel-eng standpoint. Most of us in that category probably
> don't have the time to be trolling for fixes on the blocker list all
> day to selectively tag things.
>
> Also, the whole "wait for two +1" thing is kind of moot in this
> scenario, as it really just slows down the people doing the work here.
>
> So during non-blocking freezes, I'm going to personally try and tackle
> issues that are somewhat unrelated. Things like buildroot overrides,
> broken dep checks/reports, upgrade path stuffs, etc. If we ever get
> a signing server (which I should stfu about and help create), then we
> can have non-day-jobbers help with pushes as well.
>
> I've been out of the rel-eng loop for an entire release, so if I'm
> missing something that's changed just smack me and let me know.
>
I don't think you're missing anything, and I agree that non-blocking
freezes are harder for people not doing this as a day job to help with.
Unfortunately I have to try and balance getting help and holding up
rawhide. Since in alpha land all we really care about is the ability to
install on most platforms in most ways, that's something a smaller set
of folks can manage to test and verify. The bigger items like beta and
later we want far more tested and thus it makes sense to make it easy
for everybody to test by freezing all of rawhide.
Yep. Which is why I'm not whining.
The help you'll be providing in the other type of tickets will be
greatly appreciated though!
Ok.
josh