[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #16 from Siddhesh Poyarekar <spoyarek(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Rajesh Ranjan from comment #12)
> pre-selecting English is not a useful interim solution also!
Maybe not, but that has been the status quo and I only asked to maintain the
status quo.
> thousand of views are for video being viewed in Hindi.
>
> "i dint knew that the tutorials are in hindi as well...this is juz amazing
> thanks for your wonderfull work Sir now i can understand this even
> better..thanks much i have subscribed.. :)."
I never denied that localized content is popular. What we are discussing is
localized environments and not just contents, and there is a huge difference.
For India there are two problems in that space:
1. Localized environments are not popular enough to suggest them as default. A
very large majority of users still prefer using English environments, even to
access localized media.
2. There is no single localized environment that would be universally
acceptable as a default suggestion.
> There are comments like the above ^^ that says why they need Hindi. btw, I
> never requested Hindi to be default, but certainly except for elites of
> India, Hindi is better choice than English.
It is borderline insulting to suggest that those who prefer English
environments are elitists. I don't see why you need to use such language in a
bug report.
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #14 from Rajesh Ranjan <rranjan(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Amit Shah from comment #13)
> My view is that as far as defaults go, we should have safe defaults.
>
> For someone not familiar with Hindi (e.g. from the southern states of
> India), Hindi is a bad default.
>
> All the text leading to the language selection in the installer is in
> English. The live image itself boots into the GNOME desktop, and the 'Try
> Fedora / Install Now' stuff is in English.
>
> With the new UI, it's really easy to see the Indian languages being
> available in Indic scripts.
>
> It should also depend on the percentage of completion of the localisation
> for the language, maybe indicate in the installer that the language is 80%
> there, but some stuff may be rendered in English.
>
> For the bigger picture, I'd suggest we should have a way to start the
> installer in other languages based on kernel cmdline parameters, so the live
> image also boots into a localised version of the desktop.
>
> Also, if a user downloads the image from a localised version of the website,
> the localised version of iso should be offered. The current infrastructure
> doesn't support this, as far as I can see.
>
> I'd say for the majority of the population trying out Fedora in India,
> English would be the language of choice, rather than localised ones.
>
> Given all this, I'd say English is the safe default here.
I cannot support the theory of safe default. If IP comes from a language zone
Marathi, and if Marathi is displayed as a default what is the problem in having
the same. I never told Hindi should be the default for All India. And what is
the problem if the user who is installing Fedora would change the selection
from Marathi to English if he thinks to change (After all s/he is well English
Educated). On the basis of some so called current practice why we should ignore
the demography of India and its larger stats?
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #13 from Amit Shah <amit.shah(a)redhat.com> ---
My view is that as far as defaults go, we should have safe defaults.
For someone not familiar with Hindi (e.g. from the southern states of India),
Hindi is a bad default.
All the text leading to the language selection in the installer is in English.
The live image itself boots into the GNOME desktop, and the 'Try Fedora /
Install Now' stuff is in English.
With the new UI, it's really easy to see the Indian languages being available
in Indic scripts.
It should also depend on the percentage of completion of the localisation for
the language, maybe indicate in the installer that the language is 80% there,
but some stuff may be rendered in English.
For the bigger picture, I'd suggest we should have a way to start the installer
in other languages based on kernel cmdline parameters, so the live image also
boots into a localised version of the desktop.
Also, if a user downloads the image from a localised version of the website,
the localised version of iso should be offered. The current infrastructure
doesn't support this, as far as I can see.
I'd say for the majority of the population trying out Fedora in India, English
would be the language of choice, rather than localised ones.
Given all this, I'd say English is the safe default here.
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #12 from Rajesh Ranjan <rranjan(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Siddhesh Poyarekar from comment #9)
> (In reply to Rajesh Ranjan from comment #8)
> > As a study of computer science, computing language in India (or elsewhere in
> > the world) can be English, that doesn't mean that anybody can file a bug to
> > change the default language and most importantly the bug can be closed
> > without any argument.
> >
> > And also when to choose based on IP, we can choose Tamil for Tamilnadu,
> > choose Hindi for the state Uttar Pradesh, Gujarati for Gujarat, Marathi for
> > Maharashtra and so on, what is the problem? India has diversity like whole
> > Europe, and we should support the diversity.
>
> Sure, India has diversity in languages, but today the fact is that majority
> of computing device usage is in English. Now if you're suggesting that
> pre-selecting a local language based on regions of the country may encourage
> users to use their local language then I won't disagree (even though reality
> is far more complicated), but pre-selecting Hindi is not a useful interim
> solution.
pre-selecting English is not a useful interim solution also!
Have you ever search like this:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rhel+in+hindi
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=red+hat+hindi
thousand of views are for video being viewed in Hindi.
"i dint knew that the tutorials are in hindi as well...this is juz amazing
thanks for your wonderfull work Sir now i can understand this even
better..thanks much i have subscribed.. :)."
There are comments like the above ^^ that says why they need Hindi. btw, I
never requested Hindi to be default, but certainly except for elites of India,
Hindi is better choice than English.
But ideally region specific locale default setting should be encouraged. And so
I requested so!
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #9 from Siddhesh Poyarekar <spoyarek(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Rajesh Ranjan from comment #8)
> As a study of computer science, computing language in India (or elsewhere in
> the world) can be English, that doesn't mean that anybody can file a bug to
> change the default language and most importantly the bug can be closed
> without any argument.
>
> And also when to choose based on IP, we can choose Tamil for Tamilnadu,
> choose Hindi for the state Uttar Pradesh, Gujarati for Gujarat, Marathi for
> Maharashtra and so on, what is the problem? India has diversity like whole
> Europe, and we should support the diversity.
Sure, India has diversity in languages, but today the fact is that majority of
computing device usage is in English. Now if you're suggesting that
pre-selecting a local language based on regions of the country may encourage
users to use their local language then I won't disagree (even though reality is
far more complicated), but pre-selecting Hindi is not a useful interim
solution.
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