[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #42 from Siddhesh Poyarekar <spoyarek(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Rajesh Ranjan from comment #39)
> Siddhesh, this is a good data that 12% of urban users use computing devices
> other than English. You also know the current situation of computing in
> Indian languages, though several things happened but there are limitations
> and in these limitations also, 12% are using Indian language. That is not
> bad.
Agreed, not bad at all, but still not good enough to make it a default choice.
> See the rapid growth of e-Gov like things, see the changes going to happen
> towards computerisations of different depts, see the increasing use of
> computer in small towns/kasbas; days may not be very far when you can see
> the reverse stats for the same. So use of l10n is of futuristic nature and
> so my request.
Right and I have agreed with you all along that if/when we have data that shows
user preference for localized user interfaces (which is different from user
preference for localized content or a user's native language), we switch to
selecting localized interfaces by default.
Lets take this discussion to an appropriate mailing list so that we don't
clutter bugzilla with it. Please keep me in cc if you want me to chime in.
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #40 from Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com> ---
> Rahul,
>
> Try to understand this is not the issue that one want Hindi to be a default
> language for whole India, I already told, better to choose a locale by
> region specific.
Yes, so until it is possible to be more granular, changing default language is
inappropriate. This is a technical limitation that must be addressed first.
>That English is having just an adhoc status?
The constitution using no such words.
> If number not matters, then what matters for choosing the same.
Noone claimed numbers don't matter but they should be interpreted
appropriately.
Also English
> is being protected unnecessarily by the few 'elites'. Why you are afraid of
> choosing a language of India as a default language? What big benefit Fedora
> will get by choosing English. Rahul, I feel here you are using this issue of
> language like a 'political' person :-)
That's amusing considering that you are using heavily loaded terms like
"elites" and "afraid" which sounds far more political than anything I said.
Please don't use bugzilla as a discussion forum and bring it up in the
appropriate mailing list if you want to discuss this further.
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #39 from Rajesh Ranjan <rranjan(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Siddhesh Poyarekar from comment #34)
> (In reply to Ani Peter from comment #30)
>
> Again, speaking a certain language and using it on a computer on a regular
> basis are two completely different things. See slide 10 on [1] for example,
> which says only 12% of urban users use computing devices in any language
> other than English.
>
Siddhesh, this is a good data that 12% of urban users use computing devices
other than English. You also know the current situation of computing in Indian
languages, though several things happened but there are limitations and in
these limitations also, 12% are using Indian language. That is not bad.
See the rapid growth of e-Gov like things, see the changes going to happen
towards computerisations of different depts, see the increasing use of computer
in small towns/kasbas; days may not be very far when you can see the reverse
stats for the same. So use of l10n is of futuristic nature and so my request.
Just assume the case that every home is having a computer and then take
decision, you will feel something like us who favours an Indian language over
English. Hope you can understand it.
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1133188] Select English as the default language for India geolocation
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--- Comment #38 from Rajesh Ranjan <rranjan(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Rahul Sundaram from comment #33)
> The languages story in India is far more complicated than assuming that
> everyone in a state speaks a particular language and contrary to the claims
> here, there is no such thing as a "national" language in India
> (www.thehindu.com/news/national/hindi-not-a-national-language-court/
> article94695.ece ) and "official" languages include English and Hindi
> (http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/coiason29july08.pdf).
Rahul,
Try to understand this is not the issue that one want Hindi to be a default
language for whole India, I already told, better to choose a locale by region
specific. After the globalization of economy there is not any part of world
where you can find people speaking only one language. So respect the language
of majority and choose as per the location, like Tamil for Tamil Nadu, Marathi
for Maharashtra, Hindi for UP etc.
btw, Probably you will be aware of the fact:
1.
http://www.constitution.org/cons/india/p17343.html
That English is having just an adhoc status?
2. http://www.rajbhasha.nic.in
And why this department is running?
>
> A simple count of number of speakers doesn't by itself mean much in a
> country where technical communication is predominantly in English and
> language has often been used as a political device. If there are technical
> limitations on picking out more granular choices (certainly not a country
> wide choice), it might be useful to stick to whatever was the default
> before, discuss this in a mailing list and then make any changes after some
> consensus.
If number not matters, then what matters for choosing the same. Also English is
being protected unnecessarily by the few 'elites'. Why you are afraid of
choosing a language of India as a default language? What big benefit Fedora
will get by choosing English. Rahul, I feel here you are using this issue of
language like a 'political' person :-)
Rahul, just let me know if Hindi (though in practice I don't want only Hindi
for all the country and I see several have supported to use Hindi) is being
chosen as default what harm it will do to the people of India particularly to
'English' people. So, I am forced to call this demand of 'elitist' nature that
'English' Indian people is being annoyed if s/he sees Hindi or any Indian
language as a default. For me, it is not doing any harm though my mother speaks
Maithili.
When Fedora comes in a language, we can not treat it just a technical
communication. Till the date, census shows data that 'predominantly' Marathi is
used by the people of Maharashtra, I will demand to use Marathi as default for
the Maharashtra state and so on.
As Pravin wrote rightly, Fedora is the only OS that supports all 22 official
languages of India. It is one great USP of Fedora. Why not use it for the
promotion of Fedora?
Why do you want to paint the whole world with one colour? Please respect the
diversity and allow Our Fedora to follow as per the language of the mass.
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--- Comment #37 from Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Ani Peter from comment #35)
Ani Peter> Also a kind request is that when an existing
Ani Peter> feature/setting (esp sensitive like this) receives a
Ani Peter> feedback or a bug get reported like this, ideally it should
Ani Peter> be taken up for discussion with wider crowd, language
Ani Peter> communities and decided upon concensus. It should not be
Ani Peter> that a bug is reported and change is done. That wrong
Ani Peter> approach is something that has made all feel bad.
Could you discuss this with the language community then and write
the result into this bug report?
Ani Peter> My point was when a bug is filed, deriving a conclusion and
Ani Peter> changing the setting without any discussion with wider
Ani Peter> crowd and its consenses (comment #2, #3 & #4) is wrong.
Sorry, I didn’t expect that there are different opinions about this.
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