Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-2 on irc.freenode.net.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
or run: date -d '2021-01-13 15:00 UTC'
Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at: https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =
#2537 F34 Change: i3 Spin https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2537 APPROVED (+6, 0, 0)
#2536 F34 Change: Use ibus-m17n as the default IME for Sinhala https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2536 APPROVED (+3, 0, 0)
#2533 F34 Change: Ruby on Rails 6.1 https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2533 APPROVED (+6, 0, 0)
#2531 F34 Change: Golang 1.16 https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2531 APPROVED (+6, 0, 0)
#2530 F34 Change: MinGW environment and toolchain update https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2530 APPROVED (+6, 0, 0)
#2529 F34 Change: Binutils 2.36 https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2529 APPROVED (+4, 0, 0)
= Followups =
#2532 F34 Change: Enable spec file preprocessing https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2532
= New business =
= Open Floor =
For more complete details, please visit each individual issue. The report of the agenda items can be found at https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 21:30 +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-2 on irc.freenode.net.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
or run: date -d '2021-01-13 15:00 UTC'
Zbigniew, the calendar entry still lists 14:00 UTC (presumably a leftover from when daylight saving is broadly in effect across the Europe and NA):
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/fesco/
Can someone edit it? Also, I wonder what's the best way of applying daylight saving while keeping a mostly-UTC time. Maybe we should use Europe/Dublin?
Thanks,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 07:33:18PM -0800, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 21:30 +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-2 on irc.freenode.net.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
or run: date -d '2021-01-13 15:00 UTC'
Zbigniew, the calendar entry still lists 14:00 UTC (presumably a leftover from when daylight saving is broadly in effect across the Europe and NA):
Fixed.
Can someone edit it? Also, I wonder what's the best way of applying daylight saving while keeping a mostly-UTC time. Maybe we should use Europe/Dublin?
I'm not sure why it's in UTC and not some DST zone. It might even have been on purpose. We *could* change this, though so far I assumed most participants are OK with the timezone.
Zbyszek
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
I'm not sure why it's in UTC and not some DST zone. It might even have been on purpose.
I wasn't involved in that decision but I can tell you one simple and obvious reason to specify times in UTC: Everybody needs to know only their own current offset from UTC, and can convert to their local time with a single addition.
If a time and an offset are specified, then everybody needs to subtract that offset and then add their own offset, so that requires slightly more mental arithmetic.
If an acronym like "HKT" is given instead of an offset, then everybody must either know what offset that acronym stands for, or look it up before they can convert the time. That's much less friendly to the reader.
Even worse is to specify a timezone by geographical name. Then the reader needs to find out whether time jumps are practised in that zone, and on what days, before they can know what the offset is in that zone at the time. Then they can subtract that offset, and finally add their own offset. Times specified this way will also be ambiguous each time that timezone jumps backwards.
So obviously UTC works best for agreeing on a meeting time across borders.
Björn Persson
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 07:33:18PM -0800, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 21:30 +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-2 on irc.freenode.net.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
or run: date -d '2021-01-13 15:00 UTC'
Zbigniew, the calendar entry still lists 14:00 UTC (presumably a leftover from when daylight saving is broadly in effect across the Europe and NA):
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/fesco/
Can someone edit it? Also, I wonder what's the best way of applying daylight saving while keeping a mostly-UTC time. Maybe we should use Europe/Dublin?
In the past we have tried to keep the meeting in UTC so it was clear, and additionally the fesco meeting at least moves around after elections often. (Although it hasn't in a while recently).
The problem with Europe/Dublin is that EU and US DST doesn't change at the same time. So there's a week or two on either end where one is changed and not the other, adding to confusion.
Timezones suck. :(
kevin
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-01-13/fesco.2021-01-... Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-01-13/fesco.2021-01-... Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-01-13/fesco.2021-01-...
Meeting summary --------------- * init process (zbyszek, 15:00:19)
* #2532 F34 Change: Enable spec file preprocessing (zbyszek, 15:03:16) * AGREED: REJECTED (0, ±1, -7) (zbyszek, 15:12:16) * Two votes were cast as "for 34", the others without such qualification. (zbyszek, 15:12:46)
* Next week's chair (zbyszek, 15:12:56) * ACTION: sgallagh will chair next meeting (zbyszek, 15:13:18)
* Open Floor (zbyszek, 15:13:18)
Meeting ended at 15:15:30 UTC.
Action Items ------------ * sgallagh will chair next meeting