Just a status update and a question to get some input.
Been working on and off on the Fedora hardware project and the items required for the project discussed back in May. Blah Blah Blah, going along great blah blah blah will have a beta site out end of July early August *knock on wood* blah blah blah just Need to iron out some very ugly bugs and posting comments on configurations done first. hope everyone will contribute their thoughts now and then.
My brain is throwing red flags up on the issue of site registration and whether or not it's need. I don't like the idea of having it. So I'm looking for suggestions because I don't want the site to become: a forum, or huge list of flame wars. Site is just a database of supported hardware and working configurations to get not supported hardware working. At least that was my take on the project. But if it must be there, I was thinking just for adding and posting configurations.
Looking for thoughts, Ideas, or concerns.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 05:37:48PM -0500, Scott Sloan wrote:
forum, or huge list of flame wars. Site is just a database of supported hardware and working configurations to get not supported hardware working. At least that was my take on the project. But if it must be there, I was thinking just for adding and posting configurations.
I don't think you have any choice. If you don't have registration then you will have viagra and penis extender adverts posted all over it by robots 8(
If it has some kind of structured submission (say from a program users can run) that might be one way to avoid registration for most situations
On Wednesday 30 June 2004 19:21, Alan Cox wrote:
I don't think you have any choice. If you don't have registration then you will have viagra and penis extender adverts posted all over it by robots 8(
Why not do what many of the other websites do and ask the user to type in a string that you render into a image? That way you don't require a registration and still get rid of most of the robots...
Peter. -- http://www.dealrover.com
On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 19:30 -0400, Peter Arremann wrote:
On Wednesday 30 June 2004 19:21, Alan Cox wrote:
I don't think you have any choice. If you don't have registration then you will have viagra and penis extender adverts posted all over it by robots 8(
Why not do what many of the other websites do and ask the user to type in a string that you render into a image? That way you don't require a registration and still get rid of most of the robots...
B/c it's pretty much impossible for the blind to use those services.
-sv
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 07:30:18PM -0400, Peter Arremann wrote:
Why not do what many of the other websites do and ask the user to type in a string that you render into a image? That way you don't require a registration and still get rid of most of the robots...
If you do *PLEASE* remember to include an alternative method. While it gets rid of robots it also eliminates blind people quite effectively too
On Wednesday 30 June 2004 20:40, Alan Cox wrote:
If you do *PLEASE* remember to include an alternative method. While it gets rid of robots it also eliminates blind people quite effectively too
One mail and two people correcting my mistake - must have struck a nerve here...
Anyway, I wrote "require a login" - as in you do the graphics in addition to having a login for regular visitors and people that for one or another reason can't read the graphics. Lynx is still very important when you try to bring up a box and X doesn't work... Unfortunately many people are turned off by the idea of having to register and everything - so offering them to identify a image is a good way to make sure that there is at least a person behind the keyboard...
Peter.
Unfortunately many people are turned off by the idea of having to register and everything
One of the worries I have with a registration system but a session is a session is a session. I was thinking of Public Key type authentication. Just use your name and key and it will authenticate you but I would need a copy of everyone's key and in order to get that you would have to register.
I then thought about a simple 2 user system. An admin and a general user account and control it that way. But there are obvious faults in that method.
Why not do what many of the other websites do and ask the user to type in a string that you render into a image?
Anyone know of any good sites on howto use this method just out of curiosity
Maybe I'll flash the bigger picture that was mention before everyone eyes. I believe it was talked about that down the road hardware information could be, if the user decides, sent after an install. No registration would be required. But that is down the road.
Scott Sloan wrote:
Maybe I'll flash the bigger picture that was mention before everyone eyes. I believe it was talked about that down the road hardware information could be, if the user decides, sent after an install. No registration would be required. But that is down the road.
That wouldn't help the people who couldn't install...
That's part of the purpose, right? Or is it just a "this hardware worked" list?
That wouldn't help the people who couldn't install...
True it wouldn't. But don't you usually check if the majority of your hardware is supported before you try a new OS? I'm guessing you are talking about people who are new to Linux. People who have used it before will know "oh my sound card works, but last time I had to mess this or that file to get the game port work" Your right though, it wouldn't help those who blindly did an install. But I hope that most people do their research... if so this is a tool for them.
I have to remind myself that not to limit it to just that though. Could also be an incredible tool for developers and hardware vendors alike. Developers can look at it and say "oh this chipset needs such and such of a modification done" and fix the problem so it works out of the box.
Vendors could look at it and say "WTF, where is our support? Let's get our butts going" :)
So it's an all around tool. *Hopefully*
On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 17:37 -0500, Scott Sloan wrote:
Just a status update and a question to get some input.
Been working on and off on the Fedora hardware project and the items required for the project discussed back in May. Blah Blah Blah, going along great blah blah blah will have a beta site out end of July early August *knock on wood* blah blah blah just Need to iron out some very ugly bugs and posting comments on configurations done first. hope everyone will contribute their thoughts now and then.
My brain is throwing red flags up on the issue of site registration and whether or not it's need. I don't like the idea of having it. So I'm looking for suggestions because I don't want the site to become: a forum, or huge list of flame wars. Site is just a database of supported hardware and working configurations to get not supported hardware working. At least that was my take on the project. But if it must be there, I was thinking just for adding and posting configurations.
Looking for thoughts, Ideas, or concerns.
Hi, there was some discussion recently on the hal mailing list about a community-wide hardware project
http://freedesktop.org/pipermail/hal/2004-June/000402.html
that could integrate with the hal and Project Utopia pieces that is in development right now.
Cheers, David
Scott Sloan wrote:
That wouldn't help the people who couldn't install...
True it wouldn't. But don't you usually check if the majority of your hardware is supported before you try a new OS? I'm guessing you are
No. Most people just try to install, and insult the OS if they have any trouble.
talking about people who are new to Linux. People who have used it before will know "oh my sound card works, but last time I had to mess this or that file to get the game port work" Your right though, it wouldn't help those who blindly did an install. But I hope that most people do their research... if so this is a tool for them.
Hahahaha.
We have to remember that tech savvy people are a *very* low percentage of the global population. And the same for people with "common sense". I'll leave it to others to say which has a larger population.
Mike
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Scott Sloan wrote:
My brain is throwing red flags up on the issue of site registration and whether or not it's need. I don't like the idea of having it. So I'm looking for suggestions because I don't want the site to become: a forum, or huge list of flame wars. Site is just a database of supported hardware and working configurations to get not supported hardware working. At least that was my take on the project. But if it must be there, I was thinking just for adding and posting configurations.
Looking for thoughts, Ideas, or concerns.
A quick and simple ahck that I would suggest is to adapt the hardware registration piece from the up2date client (llok for a start in hardware.py). Ie, the folloowing gives a pretty complete picture of what hardware is available on a particular system. /usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/hardware.py
Now, you can start from there and put together a tool that submits that information to an URL of some sort. Then you get to play on the backend with avoiding abuses from folks submitting over and over the same hardware profile.
Or, you can take it one step furter - put together a quick hack that allows people to mark every item on the list whether it works or not before they submit the list.
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