Hi, using Fedora Core 6 I had lots of wireless issues; mainly some troublesome wireless drivers. In Fedora 7 and now in Fedora 8 test 3 all wireless chips from various laptops work ok.
I know my way with iwconfig and I'm the admin of large municipal wireless network in my home town of Osijek. So for me configuring wireless in fedora is peace of cake, but I must say that for my girlfriend it would be a real issue if I wasn't around.
I also watched my sister connect to our home wireless adls without any problems using windows xp but I can't say that she would manage to connect to the same wireless adsl if she was using fedora.
So my question is how can I (and other that can't code if they life depended on it) help you make wireless more user-friendly for novice users?
Thank you in advance, Valent.
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 04:22:16PM +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
So my question is how can I (and other that can't code if they life depended on it) help you make wireless more user-friendly for novice users?
Have you seen NetworkManager? In Fedora 7, it usually just works for connecting to most kinds of wireless networks. Unfortunately in Fedora 8, the new NM 0.7 is missing support for some kinds of wireless networks, and as such is a regression from Fedora 7 [1].
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=336531
On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 10:29 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote:
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 04:22:16PM +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
So my question is how can I (and other that can't code if they life depended on it) help you make wireless more user-friendly for novice users?
Have you seen NetworkManager? In Fedora 7, it usually just works for connecting to most kinds of wireless networks. Unfortunately in Fedora 8, the new NM 0.7 is missing support for some kinds of wireless networks, and as such is a regression from Fedora 7 [1].
Hope to get those last bits fixed up tonight and push a new build for testing that has options for all the types, including hidden networks.
Dan
On 10/21/07, Chuck Anderson cra@wpi.edu wrote:
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 04:22:16PM +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
So my question is how can I (and other that can't code if they life depended on it) help you make wireless more user-friendly for novice users?
Have you seen NetworkManager? In Fedora 7, it usually just works for connecting to most kinds of wireless networks. Unfortunately in Fedora 8, the new NM 0.7 is missing support for some kinds of wireless networks, and as such is a regression from Fedora 7 [1].
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=336531
I'm using Fedora 8 test 3 with latest updates and I don't see Network Manager running after default setup - maybe that is the only issue?
It could be argued that if it is not on by default it is the same as it doesn't exist - at least for new users.
What is the usage scenario in F7 and F8? What are the expected steps that users are expected to take in order for them to connect to wireless network after default install?
Valent.
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On 10/21/07, Chuck Anderson cra@wpi.edu wrote:
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 04:22:16PM +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
So my question is how can I (and other that can't code if they life depended on it) help you make wireless more user-friendly for novice users?
Have you seen NetworkManager? In Fedora 7, it usually just works for connecting to most kinds of wireless networks. Unfortunately in Fedora 8, the new NM 0.7 is missing support for some kinds of wireless networks, and as such is a regression from Fedora 7 [1].
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=336531
I'm using Fedora 8 test 3 with latest updates and I don't see Network Manager running after default setup - maybe that is the only issue?
Note that the Live images do have Network Manager enabled by default which is the recommend thing to get if you are a desktop user.
Rahul
On 10/22/07, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On 10/21/07, Chuck Anderson cra@wpi.edu wrote:
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 04:22:16PM +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
So my question is how can I (and other that can't code if they life depended on it) help you make wireless more user-friendly for novice users?
Have you seen NetworkManager? In Fedora 7, it usually just works for connecting to most kinds of wireless networks. Unfortunately in Fedora 8, the new NM 0.7 is missing support for some kinds of wireless networks, and as such is a regression from Fedora 7 [1].
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=336531
I'm using Fedora 8 test 3 with latest updates and I don't see Network Manager running after default setup - maybe that is the only issue?
Note that the Live images do have Network Manager enabled by default which is the recommend thing to get if you are a desktop user.
Rahul
That sounds like a great idea, I support the idea of making it on by default also in DVD install images.
I tried starting NetworkManager under my user account on F8t3 but I got an error message "You must be root to run NetworkManager!" :(
Please make it on by default also for DVD install images.
One other small issue; I can't find NetworkManager anywhere in Gnome menue. Where is it located? There is no shortcut that I can see in Applications or in System menues. It that on purpose? Why?
Valent.
Valent Turkovic wrote:
One other small issue; I can't find NetworkManager anywhere in Gnome menue. Where is it located? There is no shortcut that I can see in Applications or in System menues. It that on purpose? Why?
You aren't supposed to run it as a command or call it from the menu. See
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NetworkManager
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
One other small issue; I can't find NetworkManager anywhere in Gnome menue. Where is it located? There is no shortcut that I can see in Applications or in System menues. It that on purpose? Why?
You aren't supposed to run it as a command or call it from the menu. See
Does this mean that Gnome starts automatically NetworkManager?
Anyway, I use KDE. ;-)
Martin Marques wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
One other small issue; I can't find NetworkManager anywhere in Gnome menue. Where is it located? There is no shortcut that I can see in Applications or in System menues. It that on purpose? Why?
You aren't supposed to run it as a command or call it from the menu. See
Does this mean that Gnome starts automatically NetworkManager?
In the GNOME and KDE Live images, Network Manager is started by default. It is not started by GNOME.
Anyway, I use KDE. ;-)
Network Manager is a daemon that is DE neutral. nm-applet is used by GNOME and KNetworkManager is used by KDE who are both frontends to Network Manager.
In Fedora 8, nm-applet is used by KDE too as a workaround in the KDE Live images since KNetworkManager does not work with Network Mananger 0.7
Rahul
Hi.
On 10/23/07, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
In Fedora 8, nm-applet is used by KDE too as a workaround in the KDE Live images since KNetworkManager does not work with Network Mananger 0.7
Is this going to be fixed before the F8 release?
Rahul
Regards, Fabio
Fabio Comolli wrote:
Hi.
On 10/23/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
In Fedora 8, nm-applet is used by KDE too as a workaround in the KDE Live images since KNetworkManager does not work with Network Mananger 0.7
Is this going to be fixed before the F8 release?
No. The new Network Manager is a rewrite and KNetworkManager is not compatible with it. This is mentioned in the release notes.
Upstream is working on it though.
Rahul
Valent Turkovic wrote:
I tried starting NetworkManager under my user account on F8t3 but I got an error message "You must be root to run NetworkManager!" :(
Please make it on by default also for DVD install images.
In the DVD version, you need to enable the service. system-config-services will help you do that.