Hi,
Fedora 8 Xfce Spin included almost all the Xfce utilities and plugins, all the languages that Fedora supports and retained the upstream Xfce layout. There has been some progress and some things we would like to get more feedback on certain things. The entire list of things being considered is documented in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
The latest kickstart file is available at
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-9-xfce.ks
I am highlighting some specific changes below
Look and Feel -------------
We did not get default Fedora 8 background in the Fedora 8 Xfce spin (due to a bug) and icon theme was rodent which is the default icon set for upstream Xfce You can see some screenshots in
http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_...
The new default look and feel for Xfce in rawhide is this:
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/Rawhide20080303xfce.png
As you can see, Xfce now inherits the same default background as GNOME and KDE and uses the Mist icon set which is also the default in GNOME currently. The hard dependency on xfce-icon-theme from xfce4-panel and Thunar has been dropped in rawhide. I believe we are supposed to be getting the Nodoka theme but that doesn't appear to be the case yet. There has been some discussions about the default panel layout and there is a lot of different possibilities including a GNOME like layout but we are likely to go ahead with some changes by including the trash, mixer applet in the default top panel. If there is a preference for a specific layout, let us know what (include screenshots preferably) and explain why.
Tracker -------
I have also made some changes to the kickstart file so that tracker desktop search isn't started by default while running as a live cd. I don't believe that this is going to affect performance much especially with the new tracker in rawhide which suspends itself while the system in busy but I saw a few complaints on this and have fixed this now.
Package Changes ---------------
I have dropped all the language packs temporarily and I am hoping to add a select few where upstream and Fedora translations are more complete and based on demand. There are a number of other package changes including the addition of transmission, GIMP, replacement of Evince with epdfview etc and these are not final yet. The current kickstart file produces a nearly 600 MB image on x86 architecture. Any testing and feedback is most welcome. I intend to continue sending progress reports on a regular basis whenever we make major changes.
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi,
Fedora 8 Xfce Spin included almost all the Xfce utilities and plugins, all the languages that Fedora supports and retained the upstream Xfce layout. There has been some progress and some things we would like to get more feedback on certain things. The entire list of things being considered is documented in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
The latest kickstart file is available at
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-9-xfce.ks
I am highlighting some specific changes below
Look and Feel
We did not get default Fedora 8 background in the Fedora 8 Xfce spin (due to a bug) and icon theme was rodent which is the default icon set for upstream Xfce You can see some screenshots in
http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_...
The new default look and feel for Xfce in rawhide is this:
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/Rawhide20080303xfce.png
As you can see, Xfce now inherits the same default background as GNOME and KDE and uses the Mist icon set which is also the default in GNOME currently. The hard dependency on xfce-icon-theme from xfce4-panel and Thunar has been dropped in rawhide. I believe we are supposed to be getting the Nodoka theme but that doesn't appear to be the case yet. There has been some discussions about the default panel layout and there is a lot of different possibilities including a GNOME like layout but we are likely to go ahead with some changes by including the trash, mixer applet in the default top panel. If there is a preference for a specific layout, let us know what (include screenshots preferably) and explain why.
Tracker
I have also made some changes to the kickstart file so that tracker desktop search isn't started by default while running as a live cd. I don't believe that this is going to affect performance much especially with the new tracker in rawhide which suspends itself while the system in busy but I saw a few complaints on this and have fixed this now.
Package Changes
I have dropped all the language packs temporarily and I am hoping to add a select few where upstream and Fedora translations are more complete and based on demand. There are a number of other package changes including the addition of transmission, GIMP, replacement of Evince with epdfview etc and these are not final yet. The current kickstart file produces a nearly 600 MB image on x86 architecture. Any testing and feedback is most welcome. I intend to continue sending progress reports on a regular basis whenever we make major changes.
Rahul
Nice work! I run the F8 spin from a USB stick. I'm looking forward to the F9 one. Thanks for doing this, Richard
On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:00:19 -0500 rhally@mindspring.com (Richard Hally) wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi,
Greetings... sorry for the tardy reply. ;)
Fedora 8 Xfce Spin included almost all the Xfce utilities and plugins, all the languages that Fedora supports and retained the upstream Xfce layout. There has been some progress and some things we would like to get more feedback on certain things. The entire list of things being considered is documented in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
The latest kickstart file is available at
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-9-xfce.ks
I think I mentioned on the wiki, but could you add a changelog and version to the comments of the ks file? Would be handy to see whats changed and when.
I am highlighting some specific changes below
Look and Feel
We did not get default Fedora 8 background in the Fedora 8 Xfce spin (due to a bug) and icon theme was rodent which is the default icon set for upstream Xfce You can see some screenshots in
http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_...
Yeah. ;( Sorry about that bug...
The new default look and feel for Xfce in rawhide is this:
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/Rawhide20080303xfce.png
As you can see, Xfce now inherits the same default background as GNOME and KDE and uses the Mist icon set which is also the default in GNOME currently. The hard dependency on xfce-icon-theme from xfce4-panel and Thunar has been dropped in rawhide. I believe we are supposed to be getting the Nodoka theme but that doesn't appear to be the case yet.
Odd. It should be the default. I will do some looking.
There has been some discussions about the default panel layout and there is a lot of different possibilities including a GNOME like layout but we are likely to go ahead with some changes by including the trash, mixer applet in the default top panel. If there is a preference for a specific layout, let us know what (include screenshots preferably) and explain why.
Yes indeed. Feedback very welcome!
...snipp... current kickstart file produces a nearly 600 MB image on x86 architecture. Any testing and feedback is most welcome. I intend to continue sending progress reports on a regular basis whenever we make major changes.
Excellent.
Rahul
Nice work! I run the F8 spin from a USB stick. I'm looking forward to the F9 one. Thanks for doing this, Richard
Yeah, I second the thanks!
Thanks for stepping up and making this great spin...
kevin
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I think I mentioned on the wiki, but could you add a changelog and version to the comments of the ks file? Would be handy to see whats changed and when.
I guess maintaining the kickstart in a repository makes sense for this. Everybody else seems to be committing directly to livecd-tools repository. Jeremy Katz's in his spin proposal outlined a different location. Jeremy, what do you think we should do now?
As you can see, Xfce now inherits the same default background as GNOME and KDE and uses the Mist icon set which is also the default in GNOME currently. The hard dependency on xfce-icon-theme from xfce4-panel and Thunar has been dropped in rawhide. I believe we are supposed to be getting the Nodoka theme but that doesn't appear to be the case yet.
Odd. It should be the default. I will do some looking.
More specifically, the user interface settings show Nodoka but I suspect that only manages the color scheme. The window manager settings don't show Nodoka as a option.
There has been some discussions about the default panel layout and there is a lot of different possibilities including a GNOME like layout but we are likely to go ahead with some changes by including the trash, mixer applet in the default top panel. If there is a preference for a specific layout, let us know what (include screenshots preferably) and explain why.
Yes indeed. Feedback very welcome!
What I would personally prefer is a two panel layout with the applications menu and places menu on top, trash and mixer applets on the top right and no icons on the desktop or icons with transparent borders. The last two customizations can be done by following the steps outlined in
http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfdesktop/branches/xfce_4_4/README
Note that Xfce displays the floppy icon even when the system doesn't have a floppy drive. That should be fixed anyway.
Another issue, for adding back the language packs, where translations are complete, the upstream web interface isn't very useful since it provides per module status and not overall status
Fedora status covers only Fedora specific components at
http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/
What I would want is to see a overall view of percentage of translations including the Fedora specific components related to Xfce.
Rahul
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 17:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I think I mentioned on the wiki, but could you add a changelog and version to the comments of the ks file? Would be handy to see whats changed and when.
I guess maintaining the kickstart in a repository makes sense for this. Everybody else seems to be committing directly to livecd-tools repository. Jeremy Katz's in his spin proposal outlined a different location. Jeremy, what do you think we should do now?
I'd much prefer that we get through the proposal and then get the other repository for kickstart configs set up :-)
Jeremy
Oke this probably is a stupid question but how do i make a iso image out of a kickstart file? i did a quick search in the fedora wiki but couldn't find it there (i'm sure i looked over it.. right?) so how do i create a iso out of a .ks file? installing revisor now to see if that one can do it.
Also i don't know if it should be possible to open that kickstart file in system-config-kickstart of Fedora 8. The error is below.
About the panels. I like the current look but i think it would be best if you made a exact fedora clone (in look) but than just with XFCE.
For the rest i would like to try it out but am having some difficulties getting the iso ^_^
Component: system-config-kickstart Summary: TB0feb6bf7 grabber.py:1187:_make_request:URLGrabError: [Errno 5] OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/livecd-tools/livecd-fedora-base-desktop.ks'
Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/system-config-kickstart/kickstartGui.py", line 282, in on_activate_open self.parser.readKickstart(file) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/pykickstart/parser.py", line 675, in readKickstart self._stateMachine (lambda: fh.readline()) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/pykickstart/parser.py", line 524, in _stateMachine self.readKickstart (args[1], reset=False) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/pykickstart/parser.py", line 674, in readKickstart fh = urlopen(file) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 608, in urlopen return default_grabber.urlopen(url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 885, in urlopen return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 846, in _retry r = apply(func, (opts,) + args, {}) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 884, in retryfunc return URLGrabberFileObject(url, filename=None, opts=opts) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 1002, in __init__ self._do_open() File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 1069, in _do_open fo, hdr = self._make_request(req, opener) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 1187, in _make_request raise URLGrabError(5, _('OSError: %s') % (e, )) URLGrabError: [Errno 5] OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/livecd-tools/livecd-fedora-base-desktop.ks'
Local variables in innermost frame: self: None opener: <urllib2.OpenerDirector instance at 0x90b7f2c> e: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/livecd-tools/livecd-fedora-base-desktop.ks' req: <urllib2.Request instance at 0xb2adb8c>
Mark wrote:
Oke this probably is a stupid question but how do i make a iso image out of a kickstart file? i did a quick search in the fedora wiki but couldn't find it there (i'm sure i looked over it.. right?) so how do i create a iso out of a .ks file?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo
Rahul