Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 19:49 +0000 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
commit f2cb3971ffb2a53b9f0fdc536cdcc4f9c3a87876 Author: Bill Nottingham notting@redhat.com Date: Fri Jan 28 16:24:54 2011 -0500
Move system-config-* tools from base-x to appropriate desktops. In Admin tools, make s-c-network optional, and swap gnome-disk-utility for s-c-lvm.diff --git a/comps-f15.xml.in b/comps-f15.xml.in index ff1fd16..f2c92a8 100644 --- a/comps-f15.xml.in +++ b/comps-f15.xml.in @@ -9,14 +9,13 @@ <uservisible>true</uservisible> <packagelist> <packagereq type="default">authconfig-gtk</packagereq>
<packagereq type="default">gnome-disk-utility</packagereq> <packagereq type="default">gnome-packagekit</packagereq> <packagereq type="default">system-config-boot</packagereq>
Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before* making this change.
While we are at it: I'd like to suggest that non-desktop groups like 'admin-tools' should be desktop-agnostic.
Regards, Christoph
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert@googlemail.com) said:
Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before* making this change.
I did. To the list and directly to your @fedoraproject.org inbox.
HTH, HAND.
Bill
Am Montag, den 28.02.2011, 15:56 -0500 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert@googlemail.com) said:
Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before* making this change.
I did. To the list and directly to your @fedoraproject.org inbox.
Indeed, I got a mail, but you didn't mention admin-tools and claimed to "remove this cruft from the base-x group, and place it, where relevant, in the appropriate desktop groups."
In fact what you did is quite the opposite, at least for gnome-disk-utility: You moved it into a common group and made it default. You should have mentioned that explicitly because it is not obvious from the patches as they don't give enough context.
Regards, Christoph
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert@googlemail.com) said:
Indeed, I got a mail, but you didn't mention admin-tools and claimed to "remove this cruft from the base-x group, and place it, where relevant, in the appropriate desktop groups."
In fact what you did is quite the opposite, at least for gnome-disk-utility: You moved it into a common group and made it default. You should have mentioned that explicitly because it is not obvious from the patches as they don't give enough context.
???
The *attached patchset* in that mail clearly says:
... Move system-config-* tools from base-x to appropriate desktops.
In Admin tools, make s-c-network optional, and swap gnome-disk-utility for s-c-lvm. ...
Not sure how you get 'moved it' out of that, or that it wasn't 'mentioned explicitly'.
system-config-lvm was default in admin-tools, as a storage configuration tool. However, it's not maintained except for critical fixes, and is not getting any new feature development. gnome-disk-utility *is* maintained, and is getting new features; it's already a much more generally useful tool than s-c-lvm ever was, and will get more LVM bits as the LVM integration in udev gets further along.
I think it is already useful, but first of all I prefer to not have any of them installed by default.
Then your kickstart probably shouldn't be including @admin-tools to begin with; that seems a much simpler answer.
Bill
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert@googlemail.com) said:
While we are at it: I'd like to suggest that non-desktop groups like 'admin-tools' should be desktop-agnostic.
g-d-u is the maintained replacement for s-c-lvm. If you'd prefer to use s-c-lvm, I'd suggest working with the upstream maintainer to make it more useful.
Bill
Am Montag, den 28.02.2011, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert@googlemail.com) said:
While we are at it: I'd like to suggest that non-desktop groups like 'admin-tools' should be desktop-agnostic.
g-d-u is the maintained replacement for s-c-lvm.
It doesn't do resizing, snapshots, or mirroring of LVM, so how can it replace s-c-lvm?
If you'd prefer to use s-c-lvm, I'd suggest working with the upstream maintainer to make it more useful.
I think it is already useful, but first of all I prefer to not have any of them installed by default.
Regards, Christoph
Christoph Wickert wrote:
Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before* making this change.
FYI, if your complaint is about Nautilus getting dragged in, this is being addressed already, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678909 (on which I CCed you already).
Kevin Kofler
Am Dienstag, den 01.03.2011, 18:25 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Christoph Wickert wrote:
Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before* making this change.
FYI, if your complaint is about Nautilus getting dragged in, this is being addressed already, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678909 (on which I CCed you already).
I know, but it's not only nautilus but also other GNOME deps.
Regards, Christoph
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert@googlemail.com) said:
FYI, if your complaint is about Nautilus getting dragged in, this is being addressed already, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678909 (on which I CCed you already).
I know, but it's not only nautilus but also other GNOME deps.
With updates-testing and 1 currently pending update, on top of a @core install:
system-config-lvm: Install 91 Package(s)
Total download size: 23 M Installed size: 83 M
gnome-disk-utility: Install 82 Package(s)
Total download size: 17 M Installed size: 59 M
Obviously, there may be different overlaps in those set with whatever your base working set might be, but...
Bill
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