Hi,
Look and feel ------------
The default panel has a mixer and trash applet in it now. I wanted to change the panel layout a bit, remove the desktop icons or add a transparent border (which are relatively simple settings) but that hasn't been done yet.
We are using the Nodoka colors currently but since Xfce cannot use Metacity themes directly, we are sticking with the upstream default till Nodoka gets ported or we pick a better one if needed. If anyone is interested in porting Nodoka, take a look at
http://www.xfce.org/xfwm4-theme-howto/
Autostarted application entry in the menu doesn't have a icon yet. Just a upstream cosmetic issue.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442804
Package Changes ---------------
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-9-xfce.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/list
One of the major reasons I kept the package list small in Fedora 8 was to retain even the x86_64 image under CD size. Since the default multi-lib policy has changed in yum now to not install both 32-bit and 64-bit libs, I have added more useful (hopefully) packages. The total size in x86 arch is 608 MB and additional 20 MB or so for x86_64. I haven't tried it under PPC. Any testing there would be very welcome.
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Evince has been added instead of epdfview GIMP and Inkscape xscreensaver-base - Base screensavers setroubleshoot - Desktop applet for SELinux troubleshooting drivel desktop blog client liferea RSS feed reader seahorse gpg keys manager cups-pdf provides a virtual pdf printer. Small but useful utility bluez-gnome for bluetooth phones
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and libflashsupport along with integration of PulseAudio by default.
gnome-power-manager - We don't have a hard dependency on this anywhere but will take advantage of it if it exists. The intended plan is to autostart this by default if installed
The newly added Totem-xine backend has been removed. We are sticking with the gstreamer backend as it was in the previous release.
Xfce considerations -------------------
We have been considering staying close to upstream Xfce as much as possible and have evaluated different Xfce programs:
Xfce spin is still using Mirage as the image viewer instead of Ristretto which is a Xfce image viewer since we are still working with upstream on some issues which are being discussed in the review request with upstream at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351531
We looked at using squeeze instead of Xarchiver and ran into similar stability issues at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=433174
Settings -------
Since mime settings in Xfce (and apparently GNOME too. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217311#c8 ) are determined by the order of package installations and Xarchiver is installed before gnome-packagekit in Xfce spin, RPM gets associated first with Xarchiver and instead of initiating a package installation on double click, you end up opening it as a archive instead. A temporary workaround has been committed that removes the RPM associated with Xarchiver. This means that the user has to open up a RPM file as a archive by select open with in the context menu. Slightly tedious but since we don't want to break the more common case of package installation, we are going with this option for now. Rel-eng still needs to tag the new build due to the freeze but that is expected to happen shortly. The long term fix for this probably would be to have a method that does ordering not just based on which package was installed first. I believe we need to take this to xdg list in freedesktop.org and discuss changes in the shared mime specification. If other desktop environments are handling this differently, I would like to know more about that first.
PolicyKit-gnome has removed the OnlyShowIn=GNOME entry from the desktop file. This makes polkit-gnome-authorization more accessible from the menu in Xfce (and KDE) too. That's important because PackageKit uses PolicyKit and you might want to tweak the authorizations on occasions using this program.
GDM has been rewritten and doesn't support autologin for the current release. We could do a timed login at zero seconds which loads the greeter and then immediately logs in which is effectively the same thing but only slower. Instead we have chosen the same settings as desktop live cd which does a 60 seconds timed login. This will allow you to pick a language before logging in assuming we add some language packages. That brings us to the next item.
Xfce upstream has pretty much no support some of the common tasks like suspend/resume, power management or fast user switching. While we have added some support for power management via gnome-power-manager, we still need to look into integrating some of the other features and coordinate with upstream.
L10N ----
We have dropped all the language packages and removed some of the associated fonts for now. Since we have some space, we could add a few of them selectively back based on feedback. I didn't get any feedback last time and I am not going to arbitrarily add anything back unless I get good suggestions.
Credits -------
Thanks to Kevin Fenzi (for maintaining the main packages) and Christoph Wickert (for all of the many additional utilities and plugins) and collectively for their input and feedback
Feedback --------
Any feedback and suggestions most welcome.
Rahul
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 10:05 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
Hi,
Look and feel
The default panel has a mixer and trash applet in it now. I wanted to change the panel layout a bit, remove the desktop icons or add a transparent border (which are relatively simple settings) but that hasn't been done yet.
We are using the Nodoka colors currently but since Xfce cannot use Metacity themes directly, we are sticking with the upstream default till Nodoka gets ported or we pick a better one if needed. If anyone is interested in porting Nodoka, take a look at
I have ported Nodoka to xfwm4 this afternoon. It's an exact copy of nodoka-metacity-theme-0.3.90-1.fc9, but it's not yet themable, this means it doesn't pick up the colors set by the gtk theme like other xfce themes do. Making it themable is harder than i thought.
Screenshot: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xfwm4-nodoka.png
Tarball: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/Nodoka-xfwm4.tar.gz
Help and feedback is welcome,
Christoph
Christoph Wickert wrote:
I have ported Nodoka to xfwm4 this afternoon. It's an exact copy of nodoka-metacity-theme-0.3.90-1.fc9, but it's not yet themable, this means it doesn't pick up the colors set by the gtk theme like other xfce themes do. Making it themable is harder than i thought.
Screenshot: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xfwm4-nodoka.png
Tarball: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/Nodoka-xfwm4.tar.gz
Help and feedback is welcome,
Brilliant. Looks very good. It would be great to see this ported to KDE too. Some concerns though:
Are you willing to maintain a Xfce port as Nodoka gets updated now and then?
Is it too late to get this into the Fedora 9 general release?
Rahul
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 00:40 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Christoph Wickert wrote:
I have ported Nodoka to xfwm4 this afternoon. It's an exact copy of nodoka-metacity-theme-0.3.90-1.fc9, but it's not yet themable, this means it doesn't pick up the colors set by the gtk theme like other xfce themes do. Making it themable is harder than i thought.
Screenshot: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xfwm4-nodoka.png
Tarball: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/Nodoka-xfwm4.tar.gz
Help and feedback is welcome,
Brilliant. Looks very good. It would be great to see this ported to KDE too. Some concerns though:
Are you willing to maintain a Xfce port as Nodoka gets updated now and then?
Would it be possible to merge this into the metacity theme package so that both can share code and data?
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 15:26 -0400 schrieb Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams:
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 00:40 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Christoph Wickert wrote:
I have ported Nodoka to xfwm4 this afternoon. It's an exact copy of nodoka-metacity-theme-0.3.90-1.fc9, but it's not yet themable, this means it doesn't pick up the colors set by the gtk theme like other xfce themes do. Making it themable is harder than i thought.
Screenshot: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xfwm4-nodoka.png
Tarball: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/Nodoka-xfwm4.tar.gz
Help and feedback is welcome,
Brilliant. Looks very good. It would be great to see this ported to KDE too. Some concerns though:
Are you willing to maintain a Xfce port as Nodoka gets updated now and then?
Would it be possible to merge this into the metacity theme package so that both can share code and data?
No, 1. there's nothing the packages can share. 2. we are trying hard to get rid of metacity on the Xfce livecd, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427814
Christoph
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 22:21 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 15:26 -0400 schrieb Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams:
Would it be possible to merge this into the metacity theme package so that both can share code and data?
No, 1. there's nothing the packages can share. 2. we are trying hard to get rid of metacity on the Xfce livecd, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427814
I mean with regards to algorithms and data, not that metacity should be used in XFCE. Envision if you will a "nodoka-theme" SRPM that when built generates "nodoka-metacity-theme" and "nodoka-xfwm4-theme" packages.
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 16:42 -0400 schrieb Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams:
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 22:21 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 15:26 -0400 schrieb Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams:
Would it be possible to merge this into the metacity theme package so that both can share code and data?
No, 1. there's nothing the packages can share. 2. we are trying hard to get rid of metacity on the Xfce livecd, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427814
I mean with regards to algorithms and data, not that metacity should be used in XFCE. Envision if you will a "nodoka-theme" SRPM that when built generates "nodoka-metacity-theme" and "nodoka-xfwm4-theme" packages.
I see. It might make make sense but get this into the SRPM, but if I'd like to see it in xfwm4 rather than nodoka-something. This makes updates easier for the xfce maintainers, so I prefer a separate package to be honest.
Regards, Christoph
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 22:59 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 16:42 -0400 schrieb Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams:
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 22:21 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 15:26 -0400 schrieb Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams:
Would it be possible to merge this into the metacity theme package so that both can share code and data?
No, 1. there's nothing the packages can share. 2. we are trying hard to get rid of metacity on the Xfce livecd, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427814
I mean with regards to algorithms and data, not that metacity should be used in XFCE. Envision if you will a "nodoka-theme" SRPM that when built generates "nodoka-metacity-theme" and "nodoka-xfwm4-theme" packages.
I see. It might make make sense but get this into the SRPM, but if I'd like to see it in xfwm4 rather than nodoka-something. This makes updates easier for the xfce maintainers, so I prefer a separate package to be honest.
Yeah, me to, especially because metacity theme is already packaged together with gnome meta theme (only in SRPM and in git). Also, as I the number of packages installing something into /usr/share/themes/Nodoka is growing I suppose I should split a nodoka-theme-shared (or nodoka-theme-base/core or something like that) subpackage from the nodoka-theme-gnome SRPM (since it's also noarch and I don't want to create brand new package just to own one folder) and have all the other nodoka packages require it. Any thoughts?
Also, I initialized the xfwm4-theme-nodoka in git [1] so when you feel ready, just apply for membership in gitnodoka group and when I grant it, upload your source code there. Release tarbals go to [2].
Regards, Christoph
Thanks, Martin
References: [1] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=nodoka;a=tree;f=xfwm4-theme-nodoka;hb=HEA... [2] https://fedorahosted.org/releases/n/o/nodoka/
Am Sonntag, den 20.04.2008, 00:40 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
Christoph Wickert wrote:
I have ported Nodoka to xfwm4 this afternoon. It's an exact copy of nodoka-metacity-theme-0.3.90-1.fc9, but it's not yet themable, this means it doesn't pick up the colors set by the gtk theme like other xfce themes do. Making it themable is harder than i thought.
Screenshot: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xfwm4-nodoka.png
Tarball: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/Nodoka-xfwm4.tar.gz
Help and feedback is welcome,
Brilliant. Looks very good. It would be great to see this ported to KDE too. Some concerns though:
Are you willing to maintain a Xfce port as Nodoka gets updated now and then?
Yes, as long as I can track the changes I'm able to update the package.
Is it too late to get this into the Fedora 9 general release?
I hope not. I will prepare a review ASAP, but I'm afraid we cannot do anything in CVS as long as
Christoph
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 20:43 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 10:05 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
Hi,
Look and feel
The default panel has a mixer and trash applet in it now. I wanted to change the panel layout a bit, remove the desktop icons or add a transparent border (which are relatively simple settings) but that hasn't been done yet.
We are using the Nodoka colors currently but since Xfce cannot use Metacity themes directly, we are sticking with the upstream default till Nodoka gets ported or we pick a better one if needed. If anyone is interested in porting Nodoka, take a look at
I have ported Nodoka to xfwm4 this afternoon. It's an exact copy of nodoka-metacity-theme-0.3.90-1.fc9, but it's not yet themable, this means it doesn't pick up the colors set by the gtk theme like other xfce themes do. Making it themable is harder than i thought.
Screenshot: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xfwm4-nodoka.png
Tarball: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/Nodoka-xfwm4.tar.gz
Help and feedback is welcome,
Christoph
Hi Christoph,
that's great! Do you want to maintain the code in git? If so I'll approve you to gitnodoka group so you'll get write access to git. To keep some consistency I'd suggest to use nodoka-xfwm4-theme (following nodoka-metacity-theme, *-icon-theme pattern) or xfwm4-theme-nodoka (following gtk-engine-* pattern) as its official name.
Let me know what you think, Martin
Am Samstag, den 19.04.2008, 21:58 +0200 schrieb Martin Sourada:
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 20:43 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
I have ported Nodoka to xfwm4 this afternoon. It's an exact copy of nodoka-metacity-theme-0.3.90-1.fc9, but it's not yet themable, this means it doesn't pick up the colors set by the gtk theme like other xfce themes do. Making it themable is harder than i thought.
Screenshot: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xfwm4-nodoka.png
Tarball: http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/Nodoka-xfwm4.tar.gz
Help and feedback is welcome,
Christoph
Hi Christoph,
that's great! Do you want to maintain the code in git? If so I'll approve you to gitnodoka group so you'll get write access to git.
Ok, no problem. There already is theme called "nodoka-xfce" at http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Nodoka-xfce?content=69575 but IMHO it doesn't really look like Nodoka, so I think it is especially important for us to have official sources at hosted.fpo.
To keep some consistency I'd suggest to use nodoka-xfwm4-theme (following nodoka-metacity-theme, *-icon-theme pattern) or xfwm4-theme-nodoka (following gtk-engine-* pattern) as its official name.
+1
Let me know what you think, Martin
ATM moment I'm working on getting this thing themable. I'm making progress but I'm not sure how long it will take, so I first prepare a package with the current version.
Christoph