Am 27.01.2014 02:11, schrieb Chris Murphy:
> i only just warned about cases where a rollback would do harm and
to *make sure* that really no one would
> do it without take care
That was my *entire* point going back around 36 hours ago
and that is why i do not understand your turn around 180 degree
against Simo and me beause *we both supported* your initial
viewpoint until you started to claim all the cases are invalid
I did in fact state your examples were FUD
with no reason to do so
Where the flaming starts is when you said "blabla - nobody talks
about the mailserver"
when Simo *had* just mentioned server side changes which is what I was responding to
hmpf - read again - "server side changes" != "mailservers"
after that you told about Apple Mail and what not and then switeched to mailservers
my problem was that you truned 180 degree and fighted against any argument going
in the direction where restore of snapshots may be tricky and dangerous while you
orginally before the subject changed even said the same
And "blabla" is just f'n rude from the outset
because i had already enough of the turn 180 degree around and your
again and again argumentation about user documents and that they
don't change their format while never said that with a single line
so yeah I'm going to be a bit of a dick when someone is a.)
condescending, b.) says
no one said X when someone did in fact say X
still: nobody said "mailserver", but forget it
and c.) deletes the reply where someone said X
server side changes doe snot imply change *the format* how mails itself are stored
and d.) proceeds with a dozen emails about how I'm the one not
paying attention when I
asked for context clarification and you decided to jump down my throat and it went
downhill quickly from there.
then you maybe should have asked *only* about clarification instead start
calling developers names if they would change the format of user documents
which was *never* part of the context
I do mostly just monitor this list, for several years. When people
jump on you,
are you quiet?
no, but i am not a dickhead and listen if people telling me that
talking about user documents is not any part of the discussion
in case of downgrades and internal environment data of applications
may have changed unnoticed
No, you jump right back and you argue like hell. So don't tell me
that I
should be quiet, or how I should respond
and if you really would look you have noticed a difference
From my perspective you were picking a fight
if that would be true i have called you a lot of names in the public
which i *really* avoided while with some replies you begged for it
so I decide to play along
why?
and maybe mine was a little bit disproportionate of a response
a little? come on!
but don't play victim just because you got burned
please calm more down and re-read the whole thread including the point
Simo even gave up completly to try explain you the context
Which is exactly why I've involved myself in a thread on
snapshotting because
unlike you, I have been doing snapshots and rollbacks with LVM and Btrfs for
quite a few years.
i statet that i do not use snapshots nor the graphical stuf fnor gnome to make
clear *i am not affected* of any decision in that direction but *care* about
others, otherwise the whole sub-thread would not have been relevant for me
I'm aware that there are some challenges that users will likely
face and development
needs to account for these things so they aren't easily getting into trouble or
confused
about where their data is.
which was my whole point
Snapshots are a reality, simply sticking our head in the sand for a
feature people
have been asking for is simply not the way forward. I am not suggesting at all that
your workflow should change to include snapshots, so I ask that you have the courtesy
to not claim with bad examples that snapshots generally are a bad idea that will hose
user's systems and make developers lazy and careless
i did not say anything about snapshots in general
the topic is "snapshots in case of updates and make it easy to roll them back"
this needs *a lot of special care* that is my whole point
This is an entirely voluntary project, you are not required to
participate in some
aspect of its technology you don't use and seem to not even care about
sorry that i case about the project in general