On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 4:26 AM Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 03:53:06AM -0000, Máirín Duffy wrote:
But we can file bugs against Discourse and they will be magically and quickly fixed to our satisfaction, yes?
Of course not. However: development is very active. https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commits/master
I'm concerned that those proposing Discourse seem to not have used Hyperkitty at length.
As you know, I was very excited about HyperKitty. I *did* try it very seriously at first, but not at length, because it quickly became apparent that it wasn't really up to the task of being my primary interface to email. I just couldn't use it for day-to-day communication. Not necessarily any single thing, but lots and lots of fundamentals. How do I get a list of new threads? How do I get a list of threads I've read but which have new responses, and ideally show only the new responses? How can I mute a thread I don't want to be alerted on? How do I get to the next thread from the *bottom* of a thread I just read? How can I search... usefully at all? My point isn't to rag on HyperKitty, but I could definitely go on.
I tried for a while to file suggestions and bug reports, but especially after the extra two years it took to even get deployed, it was *very* clear there were no resources for ongoing development from Red Hat, no significant non-RH Fedora development, and no meaningful outside development either. Basic things like https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/64 didn't even get *responses*. So, I stuck with my previous email client setup.
And the thing is, it's *not just me*. Take a look at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/ right now. Every single thread shows a "meh" face and "+0/-0". It says
Most popular discussions No vote has been cast this month (yet).
It is the 19th of the month. Not a single vote on our most busy mailing list. The same is true for every other list I looked at. People just aren't using this.
I *really* think HyperKitty has potential. But we can't run on potential. Discourse is a pure open source project that is *really catching on and successful*. It's not perfect either, of course, but we're way better off aligning with something with momentum.
Completely agree - well stated. It's quite obvious when using both tools which lends itself to better conversation and collaboration. I realize people are resistant to change - but once they start to use and learn about the new features and functionality - most people come around. Sometimes people need a nudge to change and adapt - myself included. It's just human nature - but as I get older, I try to keep an open mind and be adaptable.