Sigh, it is useless to search for Fedora documentation on google ... anything but _current_ Docs will be found.
Only Fedora Workstation edition explicitly states minimum hardware requirements: "Fedora requires a minimum of 20GB disk, 2GB RAM, to install and run successfully. Double those amounts is recommended." https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
And this doubling is not to be found in the Docs [1] in any other aspect than RAM size. The recommended HDD size value is 1/3 bigger than the minimal one.
Also, the minimal CPU speed requirement apparently doubled between F32 and F33, but I don't see any Fedora Change for F33 listing that. [2]
Both of that goes to a question - how are those values decided in the first place ?
To target the Workstation edition regarding those values seems OK. However it seems to be far from the minimal requirements for a headless server, which is surely fine with less than 5GB of disk space.
I believe that there are some technical limitations that we should list. E.g. having a 64-bit CPU with certain instructions / capabilities (at least for the X86_64 architecture family) Everything other than the hard technical limits is just an educated guess or assumption ...
[1] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f34/release-notes/welcome/Hardwa... [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/33/ChangeSet
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Michal Schorm Software Engineer Core Services - Databases Team Red Hat
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On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 6:41 PM Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
Hi,
Workstation working group was tracking this: #241 Re-revisit Fedora Workstation minimums https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/241
But to answer the questions, I think we need to broaden the conversation, hence this email.
Only Fedora Workstation edition explicitly states minimum hardware requirements: "Fedora requires a minimum of 20GB disk, 2GB RAM, to install and run successfully. Double those amounts is recommended." https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
Minimum hardware requirements is intended to setup some kind of expectation of performance. The goal isn't the hardware requirement, that's just the means of getting to the goal. So what's the goal? For sure folks need to be able to install it plus some breathing room to install additional software and user data. That gets to the minimum storage space angle.
But the CPU, memory, and IO angle are more complex. A completely objective metric would account for the local workload, which we don't know. So we're going to have to come up with a subjective recommendation, i.e. take an educated guess. (I enjoy underscoring that subjective != arbitrary.)
How does the minimum hardware requirement achieve the intended goal? And is it testable? We could ask folks to run some workloads on low-CPU, low-memory hardware, and report 'grep -r . /proc/pressure' whenever they think the system is performing worse than expected? Or what?
Anyway, this is just to kick off a conversation. Let's see where it goes.
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