Gating feedback from early adopters after almost 2 years: It doesn't
seem to work
by Miro Hrončok
Hello,
I was torn whether to share this here or not. I don't want to be the one who
always complains about things, but at the end I've decided that without honest
feedback, there cannot be progress (and I've realized I already am that guy).
Please don't take this feedback personally, I know that building things is hard.
I don't criticize people, but the tools.
Almost 2 years ago, we've decided to be the early adopters of gating in Fedora
with the python-virtualenv package:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-virtualenv/c/66b7533376f
Gating has proved more problematic than useful. It almost never works reliably,
the problems are impossible to decipher and/or debug. Too often we had to ask
for a CI-expert human intervention or straight out waive the results.
The humans we've contacted were always very friendly, helpful and they were able
to solve our issues. However, human-operated CIs unfortunately don't scale very
well.
At first, we assumed the issues will get ironed out with time, but there seem to
be no visible progress.
Moreover, the gating caught 0 issues, because we already test our changes via
Pull Requests.
I'm not sure if others have similar experience, or if we just got unlucky :(
After a very bumpy ride, we've now removed the (quite incomprehensible) gating
config, because frankly, it just gets in the way:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-virtualenv/pull-request/39
We will continue to run the CI in pull requests (which isn't perfect either but
at least we have redundancy and we see visible progress there over time) and to
run tests in %check (which works perfectly, but has many unfortunate limitations).
Let me be 100% clear: The situation wrt CI is complex and brings many
interesting challenges, but if I compare it with the dark ages before that, I
would not trade. Thank you everybody for making Fedora a better place to
contribute to.
--
Miro Hrončok
--
Phone: +420777974800
IRC: mhroncok
3 years, 1 month
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3 years, 1 month
Re: Grub 2 protected packages
by Neal Gompa
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:22 AM Pete Batard <pete(a)akeo.ie> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> On 2021.04.11 04:47, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 7:54 PM Robert Scheck <robert(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 10 Apr 2021, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>> We do have those packaged in Fedora: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/efifs
>
> Interesting. I had no idea Fedora had an EfiFs package.
>
> >>> The GRUB2 sources being used as an input is wrong, though.
>
> I think there's a major issue with the GRUB2 maintainership being
> reluctant to release, even when they are critical issues (such as
> BootHole) that do warrant an immediate release.
>
> This is causing a lot of issues downstream, with distros maintaining
> their own (incompatible) forks with cherry picked patches, and, I
> believe, ultimately makes people reluctant to try to upstream anything,
> because, even if their patch makes it into the git repo, it may
> literally be years before it appears into a dot release.
>
> I mentioned this explicitly on the list
> (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2020-10/threads.html#00073),
> but it looks like most people there don't seem to be of the opinion that
> this is a major showstopper or that dot releases are that consequential
> (which, ironically, may very well due to the fact that most distros
> prefer working on their own fork rather than upstream).
>
> If GRUB2 was what I would call a functional project, there should be no
> reason for Fedora or other distros to maintain their own fork (outside
> of perhaps a few supplementary patches, that shouldn't impact much of
> anything), as, as is the case with other projects, I would expect distro
> maintainers to be able to reach a compromise with the upstream project
> to ensure that it can satisfy their needs in a timely manner, without
> the need for a custom distro specific fork.
>
> All this to say that, the GRUB2 being used might be "wrong", but this is
> really a direct result of the GRUB2 project being dysfunctional in terms
> of producing releases in a timely manner, and I'd rather see pressure
> being put on the GRUB 2 project to improve things in that respect, than
> go with the idea that trying to upstream the patches a distro might need
> has now become essentially pointless, and therefore that having each
> distro maintain a fork, with a large deviation from mainline, is an
> acceptable practice...
>
> >>> It should
> >>> be using the ones from the rhboot fork:
> >>> https://github.com/rhboot/grub2/commits/fedora-35
> >>
> >> I am sorry, but honestly I do not have much interest to use the Red Hat
> >> grub2 fork, because efifs is patching the grub2 sources as part of its
> >> build process - and I am in doubt that the Red Hat grub2 fork won't break
> >> this (or something else).
>
> I second that. You can't just ask a project to go with a dependency that
> isn't mainline. Instead, issues that introduce delays with mainline
> getting required updates in a timely manner need to be addressed upfront.
>
> >> And if I would open Pandora's box, I wonder if
> >> the efifs upstream maintainer (Cc-ed) is still going to support me further
> >> in case of issues (especially if caused by the Red Hat grub2 fork) - Pete?
>
> To be blunt: Not in a million years.
>
> Because EfiFs is really a side project for me (I happened to need a
> read-only UEFI NTFS driver at the time, so I crafted one by reusing the
> GRUB source, and, as because it was relatively easy to do, added a bunch
> of file systems I didn't really need), I can't justify investing that
> much time onto it, and I already have some trouble finding enough time
> to address some of the issues (sometime major, such as
> https://github.com/pbatard/efifs/issues/27) that get reported.
>
> As such, if someone comes to me with "I'm using EfiFs with non mainline
> GRUB 2.0", the first thing I'll tell them is to come back if they can
> replicate the issue with mainline.
>
> > Strictly from the perspective of, who will provide support, I think we
> > want to go directly to the upstreams as much as possible. When GRUB's
> > file system modules get updates, they appear first upstream, and it'll
> > just delay things to have to wait for Fedora's GRUB to be rebased to
> > get those updates.
>
> Another good point.
>
> This is indeed a two way street: Some of the updates Fedora might want
> may ultimately take time to appear upstream, which make it easy to want
> to use the Fedora fork as the source, but some critical updates may also
> appear in mainline, long before Fedora picks them up (especially if they
> create integration conflicts with Fedora's own changes which becomes
> more an more of a probability as a fork deviates from mainline).
>
To be absolutely clear, I completely agree with everything here.
However, with GRUB being completely dysfunctional upstream and all the
pressure from everyone else basically doing nothing, I don't know what
else we're supposed to do. Outside of Fedora, I help maintain GRUB for
other distributions, and I wound up having no choice but to use the
Red Hat tree to get *any* maintained improvements. If there was any
light at the end of the tunnel, I would say my own suggestion is
completely ridiculous.
However, the *major* reason for my suggestion to use the Red Hat tree
is that the Btrfs driver has the SUSE patches to be able to read and
boot from subvolumes, which are not upstream.
--
真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth!
3 years, 1 month
[Test-Announce] Grub and Shim Test Day, 2021-04-12
by Sumantro Mukherjee
Hi,
Grub and Shim Test Day starts today
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-04-12_Grub_and_Shim_Test_Day
Special call out: No installation required! If you have (U)EFI x86_64
hardware, with or without Secure Boot, please create install media
using one of the provided special test ISOs, and boot your system.
Please test all makes/models you happen to have available. We're not
anticipating shim bugs, but firmware peculiarities that shim might
have to work around.
If you have Fedora 33/34 installed, with updates-testing repo enabled,
you likely already have shim-15.4-3. In which case ... it works!
Please report your test results here ->
https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/111
BIOS firmware and additional architectures are covered in the test
day, see the page for details.
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//sumantro
Fedora QE
TRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED
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3 years, 1 month
Grub and Shim Test Day, 2021-04-12
by Chris Murphy
Hi,
Grub and Shim Test Day starts today
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-04-12_Grub_and_Shim_Test_Day
Special call out: No installation required! If you have (U)EFI x86_64
hardware, with or without Secure Boot, please create install media
using one of the provided special test ISOs, and boot your system.
Please test all makes/models you happen to have available. We're not
anticipating shim bugs, but firmware peculiarities that shim might
have to work around.
If you have Fedora 33/34 installed, with updates-testing repo enabled,
you likely already have shim-15.4-3. In which case ... it works!
Please report your test results here ->
https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/111
BIOS firmware and additional architectures are covered in the test
day, see the page for details.
--
Chris Murphy
3 years, 1 month