Re: network vs NetworkManager service
by Petrus de Calguarium
Through trial and error I have determined that:
-if setting your network interfaces to be managed by NM, then do not start
network, as NM will start it. If you start both and have the interfaces
managed by NM, then you will have to restart network once you log in, in
order to achieve an internet connection;
-if you do not use NM and do not have NM manage your ethernet interfaces, then
just set network to start, but not NM, and you will also have an internet
connection at boot.
The choice is yours, but if you use wireless, you are best off going with NM.
16 years, 2 months
rawhide report: 20080419 changes
by Fedora compose checker
Updated Packages:
(none)
Broken deps for i386
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kazehakase-0.5.0-1.fc9.2.i386 requires gecko-libs = 0:1.8.1.10
Broken deps for x86_64
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kazehakase-0.5.0-1.fc9.2.x86_64 requires gecko-libs = 0:1.8.1.10
Broken deps for ppc
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kazehakase-0.5.0-1.fc9.2.ppc requires gecko-libs = 0:1.8.1.10
Broken deps for ppc64
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kazehakase-0.5.0-1.fc9.2.ppc64 requires gecko-libs = 0:1.8.1.10
livecd-tools-015-1.fc9.ppc64 requires yaboot
perl-Test-AutoBuild-darcs-1.2.2-3.fc9.noarch requires darcs >= 0:1.0.0
ppc64-utils-0.14-2.fc9.ppc64 requires yaboot
16 years, 2 months
Help the Release Engineering Team!
by Jesse Keating
Want to give the releng team a hand? Great! I've got a fun task for
you!
In our ramp up to release Fedora 9, many Fedora 9 blocker bugs have been
recently closed. The tracker for these bugs is at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=235706 However since we're
in a freeze mode, there is no guarantee that "CLOSED->RAWHIDE" actually
means that a package build made it into rawhide. What we're looking for
is somebody to trace through the blocker bugs that have been closed
since April 8th and make sure that there:
A) a package build with the fix and
B) that build (or a later one) has been tagged with f9-final in koji.
For anything that doesn't meet one of those two requirements, either
re-open the bug and state such in the bug, or mail
rel-eng(a)fedoraproject.org with the details.
Your help will be much appreciated.
P.S. Coordinating somewhere like fedora-devel-list or on irc in
#fedora-devel might be useful to prevent multiple people from doing the
same work.
--
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?
16 years, 2 months
Fedora 9 Xfce Spin - Progress Report, Update
by Rahul Sundaram
Hi,
Look and feel
------------
The default panel has a mixer and trash applet in it now. I wanted to
change the panel layout a bit, remove the desktop icons or add a
transparent border (which are relatively simple settings) but that
hasn't been done yet.
We are using the Nodoka colors currently but since Xfce cannot use
Metacity themes directly, we are sticking with the upstream default till
Nodoka gets ported or we pick a better one if needed. If anyone is
interested in porting Nodoka, take a look at
http://www.xfce.org/xfwm4-theme-howto/
Autostarted application entry in the menu doesn't have a icon yet. Just
a upstream cosmetic issue.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442804
Package Changes
---------------
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-9-xfce.ks
http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/list
One of the major reasons I kept the package list small in Fedora 8 was
to retain even the x86_64 image under CD size. Since the default
multi-lib policy has changed in yum now to not install both 32-bit and
64-bit libs, I have added more useful (hopefully) packages. The total
size in x86 arch is 608 MB and additional 20 MB or so for x86_64. I
haven't tried it under PPC. Any testing there would be very welcome.
---
Evince has been added instead of epdfview
GIMP and Inkscape
xscreensaver-base - Base screensavers
setroubleshoot - Desktop applet for SELinux troubleshooting
drivel desktop blog client
liferea RSS feed reader
seahorse gpg keys manager
cups-pdf provides a virtual pdf printer. Small but useful utility
bluez-gnome for bluetooth phones
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and libflashsupport along with integration of
PulseAudio by default.
gnome-power-manager - We don't have a hard dependency on this anywhere
but will take advantage of it if it exists. The intended plan is to
autostart this by default if installed
The newly added Totem-xine backend has been removed. We are sticking
with the gstreamer backend as it was in the previous release.
Xfce considerations
-------------------
We have been considering staying close to upstream Xfce as much as
possible and have evaluated different Xfce programs:
Xfce spin is still using Mirage as the image viewer instead of Ristretto
which is a Xfce image viewer since we are still working with upstream on
some issues which are being discussed in the review request with
upstream at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351531
We looked at using squeeze instead of Xarchiver and ran into similar
stability issues at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=433174
Settings
-------
Since mime settings in Xfce (and apparently GNOME too.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217311#c8 ) are determined
by the order of package installations and Xarchiver is installed before
gnome-packagekit in Xfce spin, RPM gets associated first with Xarchiver
and instead of initiating a package installation on double click, you
end up opening it as a archive instead. A temporary workaround has been
committed that removes the RPM associated with Xarchiver. This means
that the user has to open up a RPM file as a archive by select open with
in the context menu. Slightly tedious but since we don't want to break
the more common case of package installation, we are going with this
option for now. Rel-eng still needs to tag the new build due to the
freeze but that is expected to happen shortly. The long term fix for
this probably would be to have a method that does ordering not just
based on which package was installed first. I believe we need to take
this to xdg list in freedesktop.org and discuss changes in the shared
mime specification. If other desktop environments are handling this
differently, I would like to know more about that first.
PolicyKit-gnome has removed the OnlyShowIn=GNOME entry from the desktop
file. This makes polkit-gnome-authorization more accessible from the
menu in Xfce (and KDE) too. That's important because PackageKit uses
PolicyKit and you might want to tweak the authorizations on occasions
using this program.
GDM has been rewritten and doesn't support autologin for the current
release. We could do a timed login at zero seconds which loads the
greeter and then immediately logs in which is effectively the same thing
but only slower. Instead we have chosen the same settings as desktop
live cd which does a 60 seconds timed login. This will allow you to pick
a language before logging in assuming we add some language packages.
That brings us to the next item.
Xfce upstream has pretty much no support some of the common tasks like
suspend/resume, power management or fast user switching. While we have
added some support for power management via gnome-power-manager, we
still need to look into integrating some of the other features and
coordinate with upstream.
L10N
----
We have dropped all the language packages and removed some of the
associated fonts for now. Since we have some space, we could add a few
of them selectively back based on feedback. I didn't get any feedback
last time and I am not going to arbitrarily add anything back unless I
get good suggestions.
Credits
-------
Thanks to Kevin Fenzi (for maintaining the main packages) and Christoph
Wickert (for all of the many additional utilities and plugins) and
collectively for their input and feedback
Feedback
--------
Any feedback and suggestions most welcome.
Rahul
16 years, 2 months
boot problem with most recent f8 kernel
by Uwe Kiewel
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Hi,
I installed F8 to my notebook - everything is fine. But, after updating
to the most recent 2.6.24 kernel (fedora updates), the notebook is
unable to boot.
screen messages:
ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
ata1.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xec)
ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
ata1: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs
ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
ata1.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xec)
ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
ata1: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 sec
sata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
ata1.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xec)
ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
ata1: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs
ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
What can I do?
Thanks,
Uwe
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16 years, 2 months
problem with a new inittab
by M
Hi,
I did a fresh install of F9Beta on my second test HDD (only default
things). After an upgrade to the latest rawhide I noticed a new
/etc/inittab.rpmnew file. I made a backup of inittab and switched to a
new version. After a reboot gdm doesn't start automatically - "telinit
3, telinit 5" fixes this problem.
/etc/event.d/prefdm
start on stopped rc5 <- broken deps in upstart?
I suggest to restore line
x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
in inittab.
Regards,
Michal
16 years, 2 months
My JWuN Project idea.... what are your thoughts.
by Jason (spot) Brower
I have proposed the JWuN project for Google Summer of Code and wanted
to get the ideas of everyone, mentor or not about what hardware could
be used software could we worry about in this project.
The abstract and information of what I submitted should be enough to
give you an idea of what it will do...
---ABSTRACT
So many distros, Fedora, Red Hat, Mandriva, Ubuntu, try to create a
distro that covers as many bases as possible when it comes to the
hardware and software. Now I feel that the Linux kernel is getting
very good at covering almost all the bases when it comes to hardware.
It's amazing to install Linux and have every driver already installed
and ready.
But what about software, what software do we have to help with that.
we can't include all that software that is used to access that
hardware. It would fill the entire computer. It tends to cause
confusing when a user doesn't know whether or not they have bluetooth
when they keep seeing the bluetooth preferences program in the System
Menu like in Ubuntu. What about scanning. When a scanner is
installed the hardware/driver side is taken care of but many distros
don't have a scanning software installed by default.
Even if the user knows that they have no software to access it, they
don't know what software out of so many packages to install. They
have to talk to the community of users and formulate an answer out of
opinions.
THE IDEA:
I think we could create a software that can look at their hardware on
the computer and come to a conclusion of what hardware they have and
what software would be good to install.
Ideas could include the following:
*USB scanner : Xsane
*BlueTooth Adapter : OpenObexFTP, blue proximity, ganyremote
*USB Remote: elisa, ganyremote
*USB Webcam : Cheese, or aMSN or others this could be asked.
*MightyMouse : Xorg Changes for the side scrolling and squeeze button
*Fingure Print reader : thinkFinger ( and inform that there is no gui
based setup and point to a link for more help)
---DETAILS
I could start be creating production documentation talking about what
the scope and goal of the program would be. This would be done along
with my mentor and would hopefully be complete even before I can start
coding.
I could cover:
*What hardware could we cover.
*What ways can we retrieve information about the computer. For
example, should we use lspci or simple look in udev, lsusb or all of
them. Or perhaps we could simple ask the user what hardware they have
too.
*What scope would this program cover.
*How would this information about the computer be stored. For example,
should I have this information sent to a central server or should this
information just be guessed of manually entered by certain people.
>From this information I would start to work over a mock program on a
low fi paper prototype and test the program on subjects that use Linux
and record their reactions. From these recorded film sessions I can
create a gui that is not only easy to use but gets the job done.
>From here, I start coding. I will be using python and pygtk for this
part of the assignment and create a gui that matches the work I did in
the low fi prototype.
I hope to complete it with enough time to have a few people enter
there hardware information and we test it to see if it's working
properly.
Other notes: This project is something that I know will need a lot of
tender care far past what GSoC is paying. If I get this project I
intend to make it a long term commitment. This would be a very
powerful program that I can put on a CV. Not something I just drop.
About Me:
I am a Business Information Technology Student... I am president of
the Linux Club at my school and am THE goto guy at my school for
people needing help with their desktop Linux systems. I install linux
on a new computer about 2 or 3 times a week. When people want, get,
or already have hardware they want to work in Linux, I am their man.
I programing in Python and use the GTK+ toolkits to making things look
pretty. I take great concern in making a program user friendly and
have studied courses that focus on this logic.
I was in GSoC last year and successfuly created a program called
PyStart. I have learned how to program A LOT better since then.
I currently have one active project I am working on. It's just about
at it's 1.0 stable release. It's called MeMaker. It makes SVG based
avatars from user submited theme sets. These avatars can be exported
into many formats and locations. For example, you can export to your
Gmone "about me" picture. Our goal with this program is to create
avatars that can be easily synced and created in many places at once.
Please inform me if you have any other questions on the subject. :D
---
Some things that came to mind with the program is using libhal rather
than parsing all the information from programs like lshw, lspci,
etc... I agree with that. I even had someone mention package kit
which would make crossDistro work simpler in many ways.
The biggest things I want to get from this email is some support from
others that feel this idea can float and would be useful to Fedora and
other Distros.
Also if you like, you can jot down some hardware that has some
software that is not included by default in fedora but could be a
great advantage if they had that software.
One big example is bluetooth could have blueproximity installed.
What other ideas can you come up with?
Regards,
Jason Brower
16 years, 2 months
Question regarding boot log
by David Hunter
I want to report a boot error message on my Fedora 9-Beta system, but can't
find a boot.log under the /var/log/. How can I capture the boot messages so
I can report it to the proper list.
--
David Hunter
16 years, 2 months
I've done a no no - help please.
by David Hunter
I've done something stupid.
I've installed fedora-release-8.93-2.noarch.rpm by mistake and can't seem to
re-install fedora-release-8.93-1.noarch.rpm on my Celeron system. How to
fix?
--
David Hunter
16 years, 2 months
Re: pruning the fonts list
by Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 19 avril 2008 à 11:31 +0300, Oron Peled a écrit :
> [cross-posting to an Israeli Group of Linux Users.
> IGLU readers, please read and send me your feedback.
> A concrete information (specific apps, toolkits, specific
> characters/nikud) would help us form a valid opinion]
>
> On Saturday, 19 בApril 2008, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> > Le vendredi 18 avril 2008 à 15:57 -0400, Bill Nottingham a écrit :
> > > When looking over the LiveCD manifest, and where space is going, I
> > > can't help but notice that a lot of it goes to fonts. Here's the
> > > full list, AFAICT. The number to the left is the size of the package.
> > > I think a good chunk of this could be pruned.
> >
> > My advice would be:
> > ...
> > 4. drop culmus — DejaVu full includes Hebrew no one complained of during
> > the F9 cycle, so no need to keep a separate Hebrew font on a
> > space-constrained media
>
> If DejaVu provides "good-enough" substitute for space limited media,
> than it may be OK.
Well, DejaVu certainly does not aim just at "good enough". Please report
any problem with it upstream. Even if Culmus stays in Fedora users will
mostly see DejaVu since it's the default font set (not just in Fedora
BTW). So if your script is included in DejaVu you really want to work
with DejaVu upstream to get it good.
Anyway that highlights a problem with fonts: users are highly sensitive
to font changes, and fonts change slowly. So l10n groups *must* test the
Fedora font selection very early in a cycle. Any problem spotted after
what used to be called Test2 is unlikely to be fixed in time for the
final release.
More local involvement in font packaging would help of course.
--
Nicolas Mailhot
16 years, 2 months