On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 05:24:04PM +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
gesture to at least keep the source RPMs around.
The thing is those copr repos will likely depend on EOLed Fedora repos. Do we keep *those* around? I guess the answer will be different for each mirror. Some will keep those repos for longer, some shorter.
Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org then declared:
To: Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotnicky@redhat.com Cc: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, Cool Other Package Repositories copr-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org Subject: Re: Fedora 18 End of Life Message-ID: 20140116163348.GA29005@disco.bu.edu
We keep them forever, yes....
Now, one thing we don't keep are all of the updates. I believe these are actually retained internally in koji (although I think because we can, not necessarily by policy), but they vanish from the repositories -- both mirror network and archive -- so reproducing the exact build environment may be difficult / annoying.
Reproducing the exact build environment, when I tried to do it years ago, turned out to be practically impossible and not just "difficult". If that could be made easier, that'd be awesome. Storage is cheap.
--- David A. Wheeler
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:51:57 -0500 (EST) "David A. Wheeler" dwheeler@dwheeler.com wrote:
Reproducing the exact build environment, when I tried to do it years ago, turned out to be practically impossible and not just "difficult".
There was a recent effort on this: https://github.com/kholia/ReproducibleBuilds
If that could be made easier, that'd be awesome. Storage is cheap.
I'm afraid I have to disagree somewhat. ;)
Buying a 4TB off the shelf drive and slapping some data on it is cheap.
Keeping many TB of data around in a production env, where you do backups, move things around, store on raid/netapp and keep forever is less so. ;)
kevin
If that could be made easier, that'd be awesome. Storage is cheap.
There should be a stock reply to that statement somewhere. IT support staff seem to hear it a lot.
Besides the stuff Kevin listed, enterprize drives with good seek times and transfer rates cost more than typical consumer drives.