FWIW the first nuisance I'm running into with F7 is during installation at the timezone selection phase. The shiny new zoomable map was shaping up to be a nice improvement, but some bug with the right mouse drag input handling is causing it to suck.
But a simple bug report asside- the following idea came to me-
If you are going to go to that much effort for the thing, why not take it a notch further and just integrate nasa worldwind into the anaconda.
You could even have a way (possibly easter egg) to play with worldwind while the install is going (i.e. another option in addition to reading the release notes)
Anway, this isn't a project I'm likely to work on, but I think it would be pretty cool. I'll admit I haven't even used worldwind other than maybe once a few years ago. But if it works as advertised, it seems like it shouldn't be too hard to integrate it.
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On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 13:00 +0200, Jane Dogalt wrote:
FWIW the first nuisance I'm running into with F7 is during installation at the timezone selection phase. The shiny new zoomable map was shaping up to be a nice improvement, but some bug with the right mouse drag input handling is causing it to suck.
But a simple bug report asside- the following idea came to me-
If you are going to go to that much effort for the thing, why not take it a notch further and just integrate nasa worldwind into the anaconda.
You could even have a way (possibly easter egg) to play with worldwind while the install is going (i.e. another option in addition to reading the release notes)
Anway, this isn't a project I'm likely to work on, but I think it would be pretty cool. I'll admit I haven't even used worldwind other than maybe once a few years ago. But if it works as advertised, it seems like it shouldn't be too hard to integrate it.
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Well, it would be cool, but I don't think it's worth implementing. The zoom-able map is there only to ease the process of selecting you home town...
However, if you mentioned extensions to timezone, it came to my mind that Fedora 7 installer didn't set timezone to Europe/Prague even with Czech language selected as installation language. I think it would be useful to set the timezone by default relevant to selected language of installation, or if internet connection is available, to check the position of computer and adjust timezone to that. Also, I think this feature need not to be included only in anaconda. I think, for people with laptops it could be useful to adjust timezone automatically as they travel from one to another.
Martin
Martin Sourada wrote:
However, if you mentioned extensions to timezone, it came to my mind that Fedora 7 installer didn't set timezone to Europe/Prague even with Czech language selected as installation language. I think it would be useful to set the timezone by default relevant to selected language of installation,
My native language is spoken by a significant popular in alteast three countries. For some languages there might be a strong affiliation to specific regions but people do migrate.
Rahul
On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 13:35 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
However, if you mentioned extensions to timezone, it came to my mind that Fedora 7 installer didn't set timezone to Europe/Prague even with Czech language selected as installation language.
Mapping languages to timezones wouldn't work in many cases, would it? Take the list of languages, remove all those that usually are spoken in more than one country or timezone -- I don't think that list would be very long.
I think it would be useful to set the timezone by default relevant to selected language of installation, or if internet connection is available, to check the position of computer and adjust timezone to that. Also, I think this feature need not to be included only in anaconda. I think, for people with laptops it could be useful to adjust timezone automatically as they travel from one to another.
IMO, to make setting this automatically sensible and reliable, you'd have to have some things first:
- a freely available mapping between "position on earth" and the corresponding timezone that's kept up to date - an attached GPS receiver that can be read from Linux
Just the first one makes this a no-go, I haven't been able to dig up something like this. I couldn't even find a freely available, machine-readable coarse map of timezones.
Nils
Nils Philippsen wrote:
IMO, to make setting this automatically sensible and reliable, you'd have to have some things first:
- a freely available mapping between "position on earth" and the
corresponding timezone that's kept up to date
- an attached GPS receiver that can be read from Linux
No need for a gps. If the network is configured...
http://www.networldmap.com/TryIt.htm
Google for 'ip location' for a whole slew of them (each varies in quality, none got my location, but most were accurate enough to get my time zone). If it's even 90% correct it will greatly reduce the number of people who have to manually adjust their timezone).
The question is can we find/create an freely available database so we can put up our own server.
bob
Just the first one makes this a no-go, I haven't been able to dig up something like this. I couldn't even find a freely available, machine-readable coarse map of timezones.
Nils
On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 20:35 +0200, Robert Relyea wrote:
Nils Philippsen wrote:
IMO, to make setting this automatically sensible and reliable, you'd have to have some things first:
- a freely available mapping between "position on earth" and the
corresponding timezone that's kept up to date
- an attached GPS receiver that can be read from Linux
No need for a gps. If the network is configured...
don't find my location
Google for 'ip location' for a whole slew of them (each varies in quality, none got my location, but most were accurate enough to get my time zone). If it's even 90% correct it will greatly reduce the number of people who have to manually adjust their timezone).
The question is can we find/create an freely available database so we can put up our own server.
bob
Just the first one makes this a no-go, I haven't been able to dig up something like this. I couldn't even find a freely available, machine-readable coarse map of timezones.
Nils
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but this on get it precisely and even adds latitude/longitude and map to it: http://www.ip-adress.com/ As you noted, if it worked for 90% of people it would make great difference, and maybe we would be first to implement it ;-) So the idea is: 1. from IP get your location on Earth (or somewhere else? :-D), no need for precision, if time zone is OK, than location is precise enough. Dunno, whether some server which is open source is providing this, but if not, one could be started if there is want and will ;-) 2. if you have location, than timezone is only matter of finding in which area are you in (say you have a ball divided into twenty four pieces and you select a point on the ball. Which piece it is on? This is IMHO simple process...)
Well, and about languages... well, if you are English you probably won't need it, but if you are from Europe there are maybe tens of languages spoken only in one country - and Europe has only three timezones or so, so it would be very precise (excluding English )...
Martin
Martin Sourada (martin.sourada@seznam.cz) said:
However, if you mentioned extensions to timezone, it came to my mind that Fedora 7 installer didn't set timezone to Europe/Prague even with Czech language selected as installation language.
That information is in the lang-table - can you file a bug?
Bill
On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 21:18 +0200, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Martin Sourada (martin.sourada@seznam.cz) said:
However, if you mentioned extensions to timezone, it came to my mind that Fedora 7 installer didn't set timezone to Europe/Prague even with Czech language selected as installation language.
That information is in the lang-table - can you file a bug?
Bill
Is it? Didn't know that. But, as the problem was in Test 4 (and I have too slow internet here to download final ISOs) and no one other mentioned it and in fact it was when I tested it in QEMU (when I installed it on my notebook I chose English, so it was set right) I think filling a bug is not worth it, at least until F8 Test 1 come out (for Fedora 7 its too late now and for F8 there is plenty of time to fix it if it is really broken).
Martin
Martin Sourada wrote:
Is it? Didn't know that. But, as the problem was in Test 4 (and I have too slow internet here to download final ISOs) and no one other mentioned it and in fact it was when I tested it in QEMU (when I installed it on my notebook I chose English, so it was set right) I think filling a bug is not worth it, at least until F8 Test 1 come out (for Fedora 7 its too late now and for F8 there is plenty of time to fix it if it is really broken).
Without filing a bug, the person responsible for fixing it might not know about it. So there's close to zero chance of it being fixed until you file a bug.
On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 22:17 +0200, Christopher Aillon wrote:
Martin Sourada wrote:
Is it? Didn't know that. But, as the problem was in Test 4 (and I have too slow internet here to download final ISOs) and no one other mentioned it and in fact it was when I tested it in QEMU (when I installed it on my notebook I chose English, so it was set right) I think filling a bug is not worth it, at least until F8 Test 1 come out (for Fedora 7 its too late now and for F8 there is plenty of time to fix it if it is really broken).
Without filing a bug, the person responsible for fixing it might not know about it. So there's close to zero chance of it being fixed until you file a bug.
I know, but also don't want to fill bugs when not necessary. I'll check it when F8 T1 is out. If it will work then it is OK, if not, I will file a bug.
Martin
Am Freitag, den 01.06.2007, 22:25 +0200 schrieb Martin Sourada:
On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 22:17 +0200, Christopher Aillon wrote:
Martin Sourada wrote:
Is it? Didn't know that. But, as the problem was in Test 4 (and I have too slow internet here to download final ISOs) and no one other mentioned it and in fact it was when I tested it in QEMU (when I installed it on my notebook I chose English, so it was set right) I think filling a bug is not worth it, at least until F8 Test 1 come out (for Fedora 7 its too late now and for F8 there is plenty of time to fix it if it is really broken).
Without filing a bug, the person responsible for fixing it might not know about it. So there's close to zero chance of it being fixed until you file a bug.
I know, but also don't want to fill bugs when not necessary. I'll check it when F8 T1 is out. If it will work then it is OK, if not, I will file a bug.
Martin
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Bugzilla isn't only for bugs.. file it anyway. It lessens the chance of forgetting too. In fact, replying to this e-mail is probably as much work as filing a bug.
On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 04:00 -0700, Jane Dogalt wrote:
FWIW the first nuisance I'm running into with F7 is during installation at the timezone selection phase. The shiny new zoomable map was shaping up to be a nice improvement, but some bug with the right mouse drag input handling is causing it to suck.
I agree, but this seems to be a bug in the underlying gnomecanvas to me that causes it to behave nicely when dragged slowly enough, but go berzerk if dragged to fast. I'm open for suggestions how to work around this though.
But a simple bug report asside- the following idea came to me-
If you are going to go to that much effort for the thing, why not take it a notch further and just integrate nasa worldwind into the anaconda.
Weeell. First, the thing is from s-c-date, anaconda isn't the culprit. Second, as Martin said, this is to ease selecting "your" city in the map (especially in regions with a high density of cities), not to show off. Interfacing with Java and requiring accelerated 3D is not what I have in mind for s-c-date ;-).
Nils
--- Bill Nottingham notting@redhat.com wrote:
If you are going to go to that much effort for the thing, why not
take
it a notch further and just integrate nasa worldwind into the
anaconda.
That's 16MB more to put in the boot/install images...
Not really a problem for the live(cd/dvd/bluray/usbflash) installer case though. (Since clearly in that case, the 16MB is well justified as a cool eye-candy app to have on the livecd for non-installer purposes)
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