Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Friday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
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Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
= Followups =
#topic #1444 Updates deliverables .fesco 1444 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444
= New business =
#topic #1556 Review of release blocking deliverables for F24 .fesco 1556 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1556
#topic #1567 Change process - proposal of two new milestones .fesco 1567 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1567
= Open Floor =
For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
On Apr 14, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Fenzi kevin@scrye.com wrote:
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Friday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
or run: date -d '2016-04-15 17:00 UTC'
Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
= Followups =
#topic #1444 Updates deliverables .fesco 1444 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444
= New business =
#topic #1556 Review of release blocking deliverables for F24 .fesco 1556 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1556
You of course meant: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1566
#topic #1567 Change process - proposal of two new milestones .fesco 1567 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1567
= Open Floor =
For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-04-15) ===================================
Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:11 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-04-15/fesco.2016-04-15... .
Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:12)
* #1566 Review of release blocking deliverables for F24 (nirik, 17:03:20) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1566 (nirik, 17:03:20) * LINK: https://pdc.fedoraproject.org/compose/233/images/Workstation/armhfp/ (nirik, 17:07:35) * LINK: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/12879/modules/_boot_to_anaconda/steps... (nirik, 17:10:01) * will table this for now, pending more info from dgilmore on ticket. (nirik, 17:13:54)
* #1567 Change process - proposal of two new milestones (nirik, 17:13:57) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1567 (nirik, 17:13:58) * AGREED: new milestones approved (+6,0,0) (nirik, 17:16:56)
* #1444 Updates deliverables (nirik, 17:17:57) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 (nirik, 17:17:57) * AGREED: will decide updates deliverables by beta freeze milestone (+5,0,0) (nirik, 17:24:58)
* Next weeks chair (nirik, 17:27:25) * ACTION: jwb to chair next week (nirik, 17:28:17)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:28:19)
Meeting ended at 17:47:26 UTC.
Action Items ------------ * jwb to chair next week
Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jwb * jwb to chair next week * **UNASSIGNED** * (none)
People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (73) * dgilmore (20) * sgallagh (17) * zodbot (14) * jsmith_work (14) * jkurik (11) * maxamillion (11) * jwb (9) * number80 (5) * paragan (4) * kalev (0) * jsmith (0)
17:00:11 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2016-04-15) 17:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 15 17:00:11 2016 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:11 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-04-15)' 17:00:12 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 17:00:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:00:12 <nirik> #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh 17:00:12 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh 17:00:20 <number80> .hello hguemar 17:00:26 <zodbot> number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' karlthered@gmail.com 17:00:44 <paragan> .hello pnemade 17:00:45 <zodbot> paragan: pnemade 'Parag Nemade' pnemade@redhat.com 17:00:46 <jkurik> .hello jkurik 17:00:46 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh 17:00:48 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' jkurik@redhat.com 17:00:52 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' sgallagh@redhat.com 17:01:17 * nirik waits to see if we have quorum 17:01:36 <jsmith_work> .hello jsmith 17:01:37 <zodbot> jsmith_work: jsmith 'Jared Smith' jsmith.fedora@gmail.com 17:01:43 <jkurik> nirik: I do not have a vote, so do not count me in 17:01:55 <nirik> :) 17:02:11 <nirik> dgilmore / maxamillion ? 17:02:17 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion 17:02:18 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' maxamillion@gmail.com 17:02:20 <maxamillion> sorry 17:02:32 <nirik> ok. we can go ahead and get started... 17:02:51 <maxamillion> meetings on meetings on meetings :) 17:03:11 <nirik> the first one I think we need input from dgilmore on, so perhaps lets push that to the end... 17:03:20 <nirik> #topic #1566 Review of release blocking deliverables for F24 17:03:20 <nirik> .fesco 1566 17:03:20 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1566 17:03:23 <zodbot> nirik: #1566 (Review of release blocking deliverables for F24) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1566 17:04:11 * nirik looks over the list again 17:05:07 <jkurik> the removal of the cloud-net image is IMO not an issue, however dgilmore has indicated incorectnes of the list of deliverables without more details, so it will be nice to have him here 17:05:09 <nirik> I think it looks fine, but we should adjust I think for the current image names (those were taken from a while back) 17:05:24 <maxamillion> nirik: +1 17:05:32 <nirik> also, it would be nice to kill the wiki page and have a list in PDC sometime. 17:05:33 <maxamillion> yeah, the list looks good ... I don't see any real issues tehre 17:05:34 <maxamillion> there* 17:05:37 <maxamillion> nirik: +1 17:05:47 <jkurik> nirik: +1 17:05:52 <jsmith_work> +1 from me -- I don't see anything wrong with the list 17:06:13 <sgallagh> Is Workstation producing an arm32hl media? 17:06:37 <sgallagh> ISTR in F23 we determined that many of the arm devices couldn't handle GNOME 17:06:40 <paragan> +1 looks good 17:06:46 <jsmith_work> Not optical media -- just a disk image, from what I recall 17:07:08 <sgallagh> It's non-blocking, but I just thought we weren't producing it at all. 17:07:35 <nirik> https://pdc.fedoraproject.org/compose/233/images/Workstation/armhfp/ 17:07:38 <nirik> still there it seems 17:07:47 <sgallagh> Also, Server isn't producing a 32-bit medium anymore 17:08:07 <sgallagh> Or at least it's not lised on getfedora.org 17:08:24 <sgallagh> (Though I can't remember for sure if that's just because i386 was completely broken at Alpha) 17:08:40 <sgallagh> Broken for all releases, not just Server. 17:08:52 <nirik> it is being produced 17:09:02 <nirik> yes, alpha had a kernel issue. 17:09:06 <nirik> it's fixed since then I think 17:09:58 <nirik> no, I guess not. 17:10:01 <nirik> https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/12879/modules/_boot_to_anaconda/steps... 17:11:02 <nirik> anyhow, it sounds like we are ok with whats there? 17:11:02 <sgallagh> nirik: I'll take it to Open Floor, but we may want to discuss killing off i386 (or preventing upgrades from F23/i386) if the kernel is that badly broken 17:11:43 <maxamillion> proposal: FESCo approves the current list F24 Blocking deliverables as they are written 17:12:17 <jkurik> sounds good to me, no work with updating the page :-) 17:12:25 * nirik would like to hear more on what dgilmore saw as missing, but sure, we can and can discuss that more in ticket or whatever 17:12:38 <jsmith_work> Sounds good to me 17:13:04 <jkurik> nirik: I would like to have a feedback from dgilmore as well 17:13:15 <nirik> so, perhaps we table this for now and move on? 17:13:35 <jsmith_work> I think that's the prudent thing to do 17:13:40 <nirik> sure, lets do 17:13:54 <nirik> #info will table this for now, pending more info from dgilmore on ticket. 17:13:57 <nirik> #topic #1567 Change process - proposal of two new milestones 17:13:57 <nirik> .fesco 1567 17:13:58 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1567 17:13:59 <zodbot> nirik: #1567 (Change process - proposal of two new milestones) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1567 17:14:33 <jsmith_work> To me, these are straightforward... 17:14:46 <nirik> seems fine to me too. +1 17:15:46 <paragan> +1 17:16:11 <nirik> dgilmore was +1 in ticket as was sgallagh (but he can speak for himself) 17:16:14 <sgallagh> +1 17:16:31 <maxamillion> +1 17:16:56 <nirik> #agreed new milestones approved (+6,0,0) 17:17:17 <jkurik> thanks, I will modify the Change process wiki as well as schedule for F25 17:17:50 <nirik> so, the other one I had was also kind of looking for input from dgilmore... but we can discuss it quickly I suppose 17:17:57 <nirik> #topic #1444 Updates deliverables 17:17:57 <nirik> .fesco 1444 17:17:57 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 17:17:58 <zodbot> nirik: #1444 (updates deliverables) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 17:18:28 <nirik> jkurik: we might need yet another milestone here... the point at which it's decided what deliverables will be updated post GA 17:19:28 <jkurik> nirik: ok, so when such a milestone should be schedulet (relatively to other milestones) ? 17:19:36 <nirik> not fully sure. ;) 17:20:44 <nirik> perhaps after alpha... that way we know what was dropped and whats viable to perhaps update? 17:21:48 <jsmith_work> Seems reasonable... 17:22:06 <jkurik> nirik: for me the Beta Freeze milestone looks like the good time for this, if needed 17:22:21 <nirik> fine with me 17:22:34 <maxamillion> +1 17:23:08 <nirik> other votes? 17:23:51 <number80> +1 17:23:56 <number80> (sorry got disconnected 17:24:03 <sgallagh> Beta freeze seems sensible. +1 17:24:33 <paragan> yes for Beta freeze, +1 17:24:58 <nirik> #agreed will decide updates deliverables by beta freeze milestone (+5,0,0) 17:25:21 <nirik> jkurik: can you get that added to your master list? 17:25:57 <jkurik> nirik: for my correct understanding - this task should be a ticket to FESCo asking to do the review ? 17:26:17 <nirik> yep. to decide the list of deliverables that can get updates post GA. 17:26:34 <jwb> apologies for being late. not feeling well 17:26:48 <jkurik> ok, I will add it to the schedule and will create the ticket to FESCo when the right time comes 17:26:48 <maxamillion> jwb: hope you feel better :( 17:27:25 <nirik> #topic Next weeks chair 17:27:30 <nirik> who wants next weeks chair? 17:27:37 <jwb> i'll do it 17:28:15 <jwb> penance for being late 17:28:16 <jsmith_work> I will likely miss next week's meeting 17:28:16 <nirik> cool. thanks. 17:28:17 <nirik> sheesh, stupid freenode. 17:28:17 <jsmith_work> I'll be traveling to the UK :-( 17:28:17 <jwb> netsplits are awesome 17:28:17 <nirik> #action jwb to chair next week 17:28:19 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:28:31 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor? 17:28:32 <jsmith_work> I have an update on ticket 1555 17:28:56 <nirik> yeah. I glanced at it, but haven't had a chance to read it really yet. 17:28:59 <jsmith_work> I finally finished writing up a proposed text change for the "Security Exception" section of the Updates policy 17:29:11 <jsmith_work> Please take a minute and read it, and provide feedback in the ticket 17:29:22 <nirik> thanks for working on that jsmith 17:29:28 <jsmith_work> I mostly stole some of jwb's comments, tried to clarify and simplify a few things, etc. 17:29:29 <sgallagh> nirik: As noted above, I think we should probably talk about i386 17:29:42 <sgallagh> Particularly with Beta Freeze on Tuesday 17:30:10 <nirik> well, we don't have much data really, but ok. ;) 17:30:28 <nirik> jwb: do you know if the i686 kernel bug that was stopping boot is fixed now? 17:30:57 <jwb> it is not 17:31:16 <jwb> it boots in rawhide. it does not boot in f24. 17:31:31 <nirik> alright. 17:31:39 <jwb> (though apparently some people are still having issues in rawhide so *shrug*) 17:32:21 <sgallagh> So my question to FESCo is whether we should decide not to ship i686 trees to the mirrors in F24 17:32:43 <sgallagh> Since people upgrading to F24 on i686 will probably have an unusable system. 17:33:36 <nirik> well, not sure we need to decide now do we ? or you mean also not in Beta? 17:33:58 <jsmith_work> sgallagh: Seems reasonable to me to not ship i686 trees if they're determined to not be working... but I think we still have some time to make that determination for final, right? 17:34:00 <jwb> i think jforbes was looking to get binutils updated in f24 17:34:18 <jwb> because there's at least a strong correlation with that needing to be updated to fix issues 17:34:31 <nirik> also for upgraders, they could just boot their own kernel... but not forever I guess 17:34:55 <sgallagh> nirik: I'd be concerned about people making the jump at Beta 17:35:17 <nirik> we did ship things at alpha, but didn't advertise images on getfedora 17:35:45 <sgallagh> Sorry folks, just got called to pick up my daughter from daycare. 17:36:14 <nirik> I'm unsure how much work it would be for releng to not ship part of the compose, but we could ask and see... 17:36:47 <dgilmore> sorry I am late 17:37:03 <nirik> hey dgilmore. 17:38:09 * dgilmore would like to make i686 secondary 17:38:20 <dgilmore> and I have a proposal coming in the next few weeks to do that 17:38:24 <dgilmore> but it is for f25 17:38:48 <nirik> yeah. So for f24 beta do we want to try and not ship the trees/images? or just wait and see? or ? 17:39:05 <dgilmore> we disabled building lives and cloud images for 32 bit x86 in Alpha due to them being known busted 17:39:24 <dgilmore> the only think we built and shipped was install trees 17:39:28 <dgilmore> thing 17:39:29 <number80> so i686 tree is in practice a blocker 17:39:56 <dgilmore> number80: it is supposed to eb 17:39:58 <dgilmore> be 17:40:07 <dgilmore> but everyone seems to want to not make it so 17:40:31 <nirik> how is it a blocker? aside from us wanting not to mess up upgrading users? 17:40:42 <number80> then, let's wait and see if it gets solved before beta as nirik suggested 17:41:56 <nirik> I'm ok with waiting, we can always nuke it if it's still broken and we decide thats bad to ship 17:42:23 <dgilmore> we really do not have a good way to nuke it 17:42:46 <dgilmore> but I guess we can figure out what that means and how to do it 17:43:06 <nirik> well, rm -rf should work... ;) but I know we need to update PDC and other metadata about it... 17:43:23 <dgilmore> that is not sufficient 17:43:57 <nirik> so, perhaps a pungi issue on it and we can see what it would take? 17:44:16 <dgilmore> it is a tough place. 17:44:29 <dgilmore> there are a lot of people relying on 32 bit working 17:44:42 <dgilmore> and if we drop it we are essentially doing so without notice 17:44:58 <dgilmore> I would rather we fix it and make a plan to move it to a secondary arch 17:45:13 <dgilmore> with the longer term plan to possibly drop it entirely 17:45:15 <nirik> well, we don't do people service either when they upgrade and can't boot 17:45:24 <dgilmore> right 17:45:42 <nirik> anyhow, lets defer and see what we get before beta 17:46:05 <nirik> Anything else for open floor? or do we want to revist anything now that we have dgilmore here to ask? 17:47:06 <dgilmore> I guess wrap it up nirik 17:47:19 <nirik> ok. ;) 17:47:23 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone 17:47:26 <nirik> #endmeeting
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 23:35:51 -0700 Tim Orling ticotimo@gmail.com wrote:
You of course meant: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1566
Yep. Thanks.
kevin