El jue, 11-07-2013 a las 19:11 -0400, Daniel Bruno escribió:
In my opinion it's not sad, it's just not
"perfect", but the Fedora
word is spreaded.
It is sad because you speak about the community, you speak about the
software, about how many people contribute. Then you show that site is
not community own, it show broken links, unofficial art, with post about
other things beside fedora. That by it self discourage any one who
believe what you show on your presentation.
On the marketing site it also do no sell what you want to sell.
This kind of work is encouraged by the core of the project, to help
the spread Fedora around the world.
Alejandro, I agree with you, when you say that an Ambassador need to
contribute in the oficial page and wiki,
but is not prohibited to keep i.e. a paralel website with the local
context, to help this work, this kind of work is even done in the
other regions of the world, including our own with other local
domains.
Yes but they follow the official rules and talk about fedora.
Everyone that like Fedora, wherever this guy lives in the world can
spread Fedora it's cool, i really appreciate it in the community,
but when someone agree to represent "officially" and agree with the
terms, this implies to do it responsibly, and respecting the rules
imposed,
and this website don't broke the standards imposed for such work.
AFAIK, at least 4 FPL knew of this work here (and in other places),
and others guys from board, and never said some word against.
Why? Because it's help everyone, it's help Fedora to have a better
reach in local communities, helps to attract colaborators.
Knowing the existence of the web site does not say they new the content
or is state, I'm sure if many of them see it will reject it support.
Int the is explicited that it's not an official site, and not say that
represent officially the community.
That is the problem don't you see it, how can you stand up and represent
fedora and then send them to an unofficial site.
The artwork was made by a guy from artwork following the guidelines.
So, I fully agree with you and everyone else, when the arguments are:
* This websites are outdated. Let's improve!!
* The art it's not cool. Let's change!!
* Let's migrate the domains and infrastructure to the community to
have a full administrations and it's never die. Sure!!!
I will not encourage any one to do work on the site while the site is
not an official site and is no fully owned by the community. Think
about all the harm the site has done representing the community as it is
now, broken incomplete, etc. Showing it with pride as the reference of
the community that does more harm that if we just send everyone to the
official site.
Just one sample how many people did not ask for free media only because
the site had a form for it and was broken, now people is sending people
to the proper track form and now we have request from Brazil.
But say that it's *bad*, *sad*, *evil*, I completely disagree.
This work is made to help Fedora better, and don't broke any rule.
It's allowed.
While the site is not controlled by the community is sad and
Bad.
Even the website makes it clear that the site is unofficial, and
indicate the official address.
That is the problem saying that us unofficial site but list on the
official site as it was that is wrong.
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Alejandro Pérez
<alejandro.perez.torres(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It is sad to see that we show on fisl and unofficial site on
the Banner,
I think it was because the Banner already existed and no new
banner was
created for fisl. So for next event please create a ticket for
a new
Banner that reference the official site.
You need to understand that the community is greater than
Brazil, that
when we use the Fedora Blue polo or when we talk on at event
about
Fedora we represent a world wide community not only the
Brazil, your
country or your language. That is the main issue, you are
working as
this is Brazil only, but it is not.
Been a Fedora Ambassador for your country means that you
represent the
world wide Fedora Community in your country or city. This mean
you need
to support Fedora Official site, if there is a site for your
country as
many local teams has, it may serve for special purposes but it
implies
that it must follow the rules of the global community.
Having small letter saying that it is not official or do not
represent
the global community does not exonerate from it if you are
using the
Fedora logos colors.
Moreover this site has been listed on the oficial site as the
official
site for the local community of Brazil. Witch at this point it
is not.
El jue, 11-07-2013 a las 17:37 -0400, Lenno Azevedo escribió:
> Em 11 de julho de 2013 16:06, Marcel Ribeiro Dantas
> <ribeirodantasdm(a)gmail.com> escreveu:
> Em 11 de julho de 2013 18:02, Marcelo Barbosa
> <firemanxbr(a)fedoraproject.org> escreveu:
>
> este é o motivo que eu não contibuo com o
site, não
> divulgo e não acesso também.
> É, na verdade é exatamente esse meu ponto de vista
também. Eu
> tento direcionar meus esforços e contribuições para
o que é
> reconhecido como parte oficial do projeto. Enquanto
isso não
> se regularizar, continuarei a desencorajar o uso e
não
> colaborar.
>
>
> Disseram que não contribuem para o site, mas estavam lá no
FISL14 com
> o banner do Projeto Fedora Brasil, com o endereço:
> "www.projetofedora.org"
>
>
> E desencorajar as pessoas, acho que não é atitude de
embaixador do
> Projeto Fedora. O
projetofedora.org existe pra ajudar os
usuários
> brasileiros e não para desencorajar a ninguem.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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