On 6/13/2014 6:47 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 18:20 -0400, David wrote:
> On 6/13/2014 5:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 17:13 -0400, David wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2014 4:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 07:34 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
>>>>>> If DNF is going to replace yum, it should have reasonable
equivalent
>>>>>> tools. Those working on DNF should know about the yum-utils
programs
>>>>>> and the yum plugins we have already. "Community" means
different to
>>>>>> different people, Community of users or sysadmins? Users will
likely
>>>>>> never use yum-utils.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>
>>>>> User here.
>>>>> yum-utils installed for years.
>>>>> Every home PC user is a sysadmin by default.
>>>>
>>>> It's a bit pointless to say you 'use yum-utils' or not,
because
>>>> yum-utils is a big grab bag of a whole bunch of stuff. It'd be most
>>>> useful for people to note which yum-utils they use *precisely* which do
>>>> not yet have a dnf equivalent.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I *think* what Frank is saying is that *before* Fedora bails on YUM for
>>> dnf there should be similar (better?) tools. That is unless dnf does not
>>> crap out like YUM does from time to time. Or Fedup stops failing for
>>> some users. My 2 cents.
>>
>> What I'm saying is that there really isn't much that links the tools in
>> yum-utils. Some of them are very important. Some of them probably
>> aren't. It would help the dnf devs and others with prioritizing the
>> development of replacements to know which ones are the most important.
>>
>
>
> Okay then. I have said before this 'stuff' is above my pay-grade. I
> don't do this 'stuff' for a living.
>
> So you (someone) should come up with some instructions so that Joe
> Average User (me), or Jane Average User, can learn to write a RFE
> (name?) to bugzilla. Or where Joe User (me), or Jane Average User, can
> politely contact the devs. Not 'how do I' questions. But 'what about
> this' suggestions.
>
> Me (Joe Average User) still has a bad taste in my mouth from how Redhat
> 5.2 help lists treated me when I finally got it installed and working
> and I asked Newbie questions. That got me switched to another, more
> friendly, distribution. You should remember it. You were "The Club
> Monkey" there. When it 'died' and some devs forked it I still followed
> them. It works well BTW.
>
> Please don't let Fedora improve itself to destruction.
>
> You have a good day Adam.
Um. I just asked for people to say which ones of the commands in
yum-utils they use, instead of just saying they use "yum-utils". The
point is that yum-utils isn't one cohesive code base someone can sit
down and "port to dnf", it's a grab bag of tools thrown together in a
package without really a lot of rhyme or reason. Most of them are
independent of each other and can be ported to dnf separately from each
other.
I didn't ask you to file RFEs on Bugzilla, just to say which in
particular of the yum-utils tools you find most important.
Truce flag?
I use, more often that I like,
package-cleanup --dupes & package-cleanup --cleandupes.
Sometimes, when things are acting strangely,
package-cleanup --problems
So? May i ask where, or to who, to I forward this to thr dnf devs?
--
David