Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
> Why do you think it keeps coming up?
You are the first for this release.
This is the first release that doesn't have
it. ;)
>>
>> Everything installations are generally a bad idea.
>>
> Generally but not always!
> In my case, one of the things I'm doing is looking for things that
> don't have SELinux policy that need it.
What do you mean by that?
I've been using the 'strict' policy since the
'Targeted/Strict' split
and looking for things to run that will produce avc denied messages.
>
>>
>> * Redundancy - While Fedora Core itself is slowing moving towards
>> providing more packages as part of the Fedora Extras and possibly
>> doing several different targets the current selection uses multiple
>> programs that provide the same functionality, browsers or desktop
>> environments for example and its better for users to use a graphical
>> tool like pirut and install packages as necessary.
>
> For those of us that run 'rawhide' redundancy is good and it saves
> time to have "more than one way to skin a cat" already installed.
> Don't you want "everything" tested?
Use yum to install the rest.
'yum install available' doesn't work! try it =;)
>>
>> * Security, manageability and performance - As more and more
>> packages are installed on a system the amount of updates and
>> interactions between the packages that the user has to handle
>> drastically increases. For users who are using Fedora as a
>> development system or using it just to learn Linux where the system
>> serves no other purpose and a high amount of bandwidth is available
>> this might make sense
>
> You just gave another reason to have a 'everything' option. Plus don't
> you want to make it easier for people to test everything? I'll bet
> there are things in FC that no one uses and never gets tested.
Use yum.
see above
> BTW, what are you doing to get the number of CDs back down to 4?
Not a agreed upon goal AFAIK.
Just another indication of bloat or the need to move more things to Extras.
>
> but for others
>
>> users who use it deploy it at various levels the amount of updates
>> and potential security issues that they have to deal with packages
>> that they might not even use is a additional burden. Moreover the
>> additional packages installed might need listen to network
>> connections by default making the systems potentially more vulnerable
>> by increasing the attack vector. Additional services enabled by
>> default also affect performance.
>
> That has nothing to do with whether or not there is a 'everything'
> option.
It does. Everything opens up more services.
That for a long time produced bunches of avc denied messages.
thanks for all the good work-- It's looking good.
Richard