--- Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi
>I am following this thread closely and I can see
the
>pro's and con's. Many times, the everything
install
>is the best way to go. You do not want to have to
>install any missing dependencies via yum/rpm when
you
>want to compile a certain tarball for which there
is
>no rpm available, or there is one, but in your
system
>it *does not work*.
>
Just you use yum and pirut post installation. They
should work with
CD/DVD's too.
> The security risks are something
>that we could live without. In fact many people do
>not update the kernel to the latest one, despite
>several vulnerabilities that they keep their
existing
>kernel because it boots everytime and many things
just
>work.
>
>
We need to discourage anything that creates security
issues.
>>Just that some
>>users want it is not
>>a good reason to implement any feature without
>>understanding the cost
>>involved in long term maintenance and support.
>>
>>
>
>What does that magic button(s) cost to implement
when
>it has been living there for sometime already?
The
>changes are welcomed, but what has been the cost
and
>long term maintence and support have been
throughout
>the Fedora Release cycles?
>
>
It costs quite a lot which is why it is being
removed. I already gave
examples of this.
>Why is Fedora trying to reduce the Core? Why is
>wanting to become like Ubuntu? Fedora is great as
it
>is! Why change it to less CD's, and us having to
>search for packages that are and have been there
for
>ages.
>
Why do you think reducing core is equal to reduce CD
images. They are
not related at all.
I see this occur in other distros too. They reduce
the number of packages and/or exclude packages that
were helpful but now removed them because of other
people who wanted something else.
I'll put some examples.
* Take Knoppix for instance. Knoppix had tetex,
tetex-latex, kdvi, xdvi packages up to version 3.3
after which it dropped becuase of the space issue.
Klaus Knopper said that because of space constraints
he reduced it. I liked knoppix because it had this
feature. I could tex/latex a document virtually
everywhere I could boot off live cd.
* I had to find a replacement. and there was
Kanotix. very similar to Knoppix an make by Kano
"Jorg S". Now as of today the version Kanotix-2005-04
removed tetex completely from the live cd
distribution.
* I have found Team-TL, a slax live cd, slackware
based live cd/dvd which has what I want and they are
specialized. It is nice and it works. I can take
tex/latex anywhere.
Take also Mandriva ( formerly Mandrake), they give out
3 cd's only, they want you to pay into their Club to
get the other stuff. They include that it is a
download edition.
Fedora Core comes with 4 cd's + 1 rescue cd and we can
also get it as a dvd.iso. Fedora is a completely free
operating system free of proprietary stuff and patents
and you stand by it completely.
As you stand by it, we and others stand by our we want
"everything install back". We do not care about
security issues. we care to install everything in a
faster way that way we do things faster and run great
risks as you and others have suggested.
It costs quite a lot which is why it is being
removed.
Why did it not cost a lot before?
What triggered the rapid changes?
As I have said before I welcome some of the changes
implemented in this Fedora Core 5 Test 2 Releease. I
like them, but still like the everything install.
--
Rahul
Fedora Bug Triaging -
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers
--
fedora-test-list mailing list
fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com
To unsubscribe:
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com