On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 20:31 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 09/24/2012 08:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:29:39 +0000
> "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A while back I started the initiative and writing how to debug pages
>> for QA Community to use and was about to write another when I noticed
>> when there has been put a big fat banner referring to upstream wiki
>> page on it.
>>
>> So my question here should we continue with this initiative which was
>> aimed at better documentation in the project and to improve general
>> reporting or should we simply drop the effort?
>>
>> JBG
>>
>> 1.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems
> I think if upstream projects want to provide information on this, that
> should be preferred. In cases where they don't for whatever reason, I
> think a page on our wiki is fine.
>
> The problem will end up being knowing where to go... perhaps we could
> make a single page on the wiki about debugging and point to the various
> upstream or local debugging pages?
The general idea was to increase activity within the QA community and
improve reporting at the same time without having them running around
the whole internet while doings so.
If the community prefers to run to various upstreams for this info we
can just as well stop reporting to Red Hat's bugzilla and report
directly upstream instead. ( something I have been very much against in
the past for the very same reasons )
I don't see that that follows logically at *all*. The two just seem like
totally different things. Instructions for debugging a given component
are going to be the same whether you're running Fedora, Ubuntu, SUSE or
whatever: debugging systemd is debugging systemd. There may be cases
where there are local variations, in which case it makes sense to have a
local wiki page, but in cases where there aren't, it seems perfectly
sensible if the instructions are provided upstream. I don't see any way
in which that means bugs reports should always be upstream.
I honestly don't see any problem with a Fedora 'how to debug' page
simply referring to the upstream instructions if such instructions
exist. It doesn't seem like it's actually a practical problem to have to
load a page that is not hosted on a Fedora server. It's what hyperlinks
were invented for. I'm really not seeing the problem here.
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