Re: Minimal Install Option
by Jef Spaleta
Bill Anderson wrote:
>Given the comments on DHCP client, here is the new list I propose:
So...making the leap of faith assumption that this list of packages to
"fix" the current minimal install option is a best effort attempt.
Some basic questions follow...how much smaller is this really making the
minimal harddrive footprint?
And is anyone willing to build up a prototype comps.xml file associated
this initial "correction" list, that doesn't break the other currently
available install types?
-jef
20 years, 9 months
Re: Minimal Install Option
by Jef Spaleta
Bill Anderson wrote:
>Wouldn't it be great if the Minimal Install option meant what it said?
>Who seriously believe NIS belongs on a firewall?? Minimal states it is
>for such things as firewalls
File it as a bug! Or maybe you want to step up and be part of a
worthwhile discussion as to re-working of the existing minimal install
option. Since it seems its really a more a matter of how the packages
are grouped and which groups a minimal install actually installs..its
more a policy issue than an expert coding issue. This seems like
something we can have a nice lovely little community discussion
about...instead of just poking repeatedly at the anaconda maintainer to
remove this one package here...or this one other package..or maybe add
this one package to minimal. And its certainly a better idea to fix the
current minimal install offering than adding another minimal minimal
layer beyond the "broken" minimal.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2003-July/msg00569.html
I think its pretty clear there is room for volunteers on in impacting
how the current minimal install behaves. If your serious about "fixing"
the current minimal offering, I suggest the interested people make a
stab at drawing up a consensus replacement package list, with some
discussion as to why you are dropping each package. Those interested
could probably go back and forth a few times on what minimal should be
"sanely" including and then make a worthwhile bugticket entry...saving
some Red Hat developer time to be spent on some higher priority issues.
If there is some obvious consensus from the obviously technically
literate people who have a need for minimal install as to how to fix the
current minimal package list, I doubt their collective best-effort
opinions would be completely ignored. But repeating the "one guy wanting
one package in/out of minimal" scenario X number of times isn't going to
move anything forward. And of course..submitted patches would probably
even less ignored then a consensus best effort essay on the matter.
-jef"put up or..."spaleta
20 years, 9 months
RE: anyone else using a cable-modem connection?
by Glen Maeding
<<I wonder if I'm the only one interested in such an applet (for the Gnome
desktop as well)?>>
Isnt there one already labeled 'system monitor'? Right click on panel, add to panel, ultity, system monitor. Change in the perferences the monitor to see from processor to network.
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20 years, 9 months
Re: Minimal Install Option
by Mark A. Hoover
rhl-beta-list-request(a)redhat.com wrote:
>
> The closest would be something more like the debian install -- do a minimal
> install of basically kernel + libc + network (if needed), then boot into the
> new machine and install the rest using firstboot. And even that's likely to
> not make everyone happy, since we can't even seem to decide if ftp or http
> or both clients should be included! ;-)
There's a real simple solution to this. A minimal install should be
kernel + libc + network and then allow the user to selectively add
things like you can in the previous Custom install methods. If the
user wants ftp or http clients, they can turn them on in the Network
Apps category.
Some people act like just cause it's not in the default minimal install
group that you can't add it during the customization portion of the
install...
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Mark Hoover
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20 years, 9 months
What is the latest
by RaXeT
Anyone checked on bugzilla 101901 lately? Wondered if this kernel-2.6.0
that arjan put out on the 9th of Aug would be soon supersceded?
Thanks,
Raxet
20 years, 9 months
[PATCH] ACPI PCI interrupts
by Brown, Len
This Severn BETA1 patch seems to addresses the PCI interrupt issues seen
on a number of platforms -- particularly those with an Award BIOS. It
comes to us from the linux-acpi tree, originally from Andrew de Quincey.
If you find that you need to boot Severn with acpi=off or pci=noacpi to
get your network or PCI disk controller to receive interrupts, this
patch may be for you. Let me know it goes.
Thanks,
-Len
20 years, 9 months
Keyboard freeze, Wireless Weirdness
by Chris Elston
I'm running Severn on a Dell Inspiron 8100. To get it to even work, I had
to disable ACPI, which may or may not be contributing to my problems.
Everything else is normal, even installed all packages during the
preliminary install.
My first problem occurs semi-randomly. While running X, my keyboard will
stop responding. Everything else seems fine, the keyboard just stops
working. I can't go to a virtual desktop (no keyboard), can't use any
system config tools (asks for root password) or anything, so I'm forced to
completely reboot. Doesn't seem to matter what window manager I'm using
as this problem has occured in both Gnome/Metacity and WindowMaker.
My other problem has to do w/ my wireless connection. I have my network
configured to access a secure network via a ESSID. However, there is also
a neighboring network that isn't restricted that overlaps. When I boot my
laptop, it grabs the open network and not the specific network I have it
configured for. If I restart the network (/sbin/service network restart),
it grabs the correct network. What is it doing differently at boot than
when I manually restart the network?
In a perhaps related situation, my wireless connection will randomly
disconnect which then forces me to restart it over and over again. Not
fun.
Any ideas on these problems?
PS: Where can I find good information on ACPI (what, why, how, etc)?
Sorry if I'm out of the loop.
Chris Elston
celston(a)corky.sapien.net
20 years, 9 months
Re: Mozilla causing OOM?
by nosp
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 19:15, Samuel Flory wrote:
>
[...]
>
> Not quite that bad, but mozilla does seem to have memory issues in
> severn. It's something to do with Severn. The exact same mozilla
> binary worked fine under 9, but not after an upgrade. It seems to be
a
> issue with the mozilla rpms as well. The 2.6 kernel makes it livable
if
> I remember to close, and reopen mozilla at the start of the day.
Dunno...I'm fine:
$ cat /etc/redhat-release
Red Hat Linux release 9.0.93 (Severn)
$ uname -r
2.4.21-20.1.2024.2.1.nptlsmp
$ rpm -q mozilla
mozilla-1.4-12
$ ps -axuww | grep mozilla
martin 3103 1.0 16.0 185764 82308 ? S Aug20 15:09
/usr/lib/mozilla-1.4/mozilla-bin -UILocale en-US
(that's approx 1 day of mozilla uptime, being used heavily)
Martin
20 years, 9 months
Minimal Install - alternative view
by Bill Anderson
OK, so people are fighting the idea of a minimal option. WHy not get rid
of it then?
Core seems pretty basic. Why not then add groups like the following:
* Corporate Firewall
* Home/Small Business Firewall
Put KRB in the Corporate Firewall, put DHCP/PPP/friends in the Home/SB
Firewall. Put SSH in the home and a config rpm that installs a "listen
on internal network only" sshd config. After all, we have a
caching-nameserver config rpm. :)
Leave ssh as an option in both so it can be deselected in each.
The big complaint I've heard/had is not just that all these things are
there, but that you can't deselect them w/o going through every single
package, and hoping you got the dependencies right as mentioned earlier.
Even making a large portion of the packages I noted optional during
install would be a decent step.
Of the couple dozen packages or so I listed, only the following have
been challenged so far (IIRC):
pam_krb
wget
dhclient
<ssh>
I'd say that is a small amount compared to the list. :) That would mean
to me we are (so far) in general agreement about most of the proposed
changes. After all I proposed ~20 removals and only three were opposed
so far.
If there is interest in this type of arrangement, I could work on more
details for it.
--
Bill Anderson
RHCE #807302597505773
bill(a)noreboots.com
20 years, 9 months
Mozilla causing OOM?
by Warren Togami
On several occasions mozilla-1.4 in Severn grew to use all system
memory, causing a massive swap storm and eventually OOM. During the
swap storm the desktop is almost unusable.
Has anyone else experienced this recently?
Warren
20 years, 9 months